Haha I Flopped It!

[mikeysong 0]

Villain is 34.11/19.1/1.81Limit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$104 playersConverterPre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 9 T UTG folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.Flop: 8 7 J (6.6SB, 2 players)BB bets, Hero calls.Turn: 2 (4.3BB, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.River: 2 (10.3BB, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero ???

[Zach6668 513]

I usually just call here.

[aim786 0]

Why don't you raise the flop?

[mikeysong 0]

MORE MONIES ON THE TURN

[Zach6668 513]

Flop call is fine.

[aim786 0]

MORE MONIES ON THE TURN

Sure, but this seems like quite an aggro villain. He could easily 3bet flop or slowplay to the turn, both of which allow you to extract more value. Furthermore, there are lots of action killer turns.

[CoranMoran 0]

I think the flop decision is simply a matter of preference.And I can play it either way.Some straights are very vulnerable.But since our Nut Straight will always remain the Nut Straight on the turn, I don't mind waiting for the turn to push.If the flop were QJ8, I would be more likely to raise right away, since an A or K could counterfeit our Straight.The Flush Draw exists, but it doesn't bother be because there is no reason to put the single villain on a couple of diamonds.I usually call down on the river.Villain's play certainly could have represented a set- which just filled up.And getting 2 big bets on the final street is more than I was originally expecting.So I'm happy with it.--CM

[aim786 0]

I think the flop decision is simply a matter of preference.And I can play it either way.Some straights are very vulnerable.But since our Nut Straight will always remain the Nut Straight on the turn, I don't mind waiting for the turn to push.If the flop were QJ8, I would be more likely to raise right away, since an A or K could counterfeit our Straight.The Flush Draw exists, but it doesn't bother be because there is no reason to put the single villain on a couple of diamonds.I usually call down on the river.Villain's play certainly could have represented a set- which just filled up.And getting 2 big bets on the final street is more than I was originally expecting.So I'm happy with it.--CM

I'm not saying that our straight is vulnerable. However, a lot of turn cards can come that will slow our opponent down on the turn or possibly even get him to fold a hand like AA. Also, by raising the flop the villain misplays just about every single hand in his range. Finally, the flop raise gets us more money in the long run than a turn raise does.

[CoranMoran 0]

Finally, the flop raise gets us more money in the long run than a turn raise does.

Not if he's bluffing.--cm

[Zach6668 513]

I can't figure out why you're so hell bent on this flop raise thing, aim.If he has a pair, he calls down.If he has a pair, he calls down our turn raise. We make more.If he has a strong hand, he probably 3-bets the turn, or c/r's the turn, as in this hand, and we make more.

[mikeysong 0]

I'm not saying that our straight is vulnerable. However, a lot of turn cards can come that will slow our opponent down on the turn or possibly even get him to fold a hand like AA. Also, by raising the flop the villain misplays just about every single hand in his range. Finally, the flop raise gets us more money in the long run than a turn raise does.

ONLY YOU MIGHT FOLD AA. AA DOES NOT FOLD AT THESE GAMES.WHAT'S YOUR USERNAME ON AP. I WILL BLUFF YOU UNTIL YOU TURN INTO A CALLING DONKEY.

[antistuff 0]

i think raising the flop or waiting until the turn evens out to about the same.

[Zach6668 513]

i think raising the flop or waiting until the turn evens out to about the same.

Ya, agreed here. Like it was said earlier, it's pretty much just a style preference.