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[RISEorFall]

Playing at a 5/10 table at Full Tilt (play money, for some reason I don't trust the net with real money), about 7 handed I think, and i get pocket 7's UTG+1. Limp im, get about 2 or 3 other callers, and SB raises. BB folds, and usually I'll fold with just 7's, but I see a place to isolate which would usually make my hand a favorite, plus I'll have position on the raiser. I 3-bet, and it's folded back around to the raiser who caps. This worries me some, but I still have position, I call. Flop is something like 10, 4, 5 with 2 clubs. BB checks. I put him on 2 overcards and I bet, he calls. Turn is a blank, he checks again. I bet, he calls. River is a 9. Another overcard, but not one I'd think the BB would have. he again checks, and I bet. Did I play this reasonable? Didn't think he would've had big pair with check/calling every single street, and I didn't think overcards hit for him to make a bigger pair. Would anyone have played this differently?

[cdddc75]

RISEorFall said:

Playing at a 5/10 table at Full Tilt (play money, for some reason I don't trust the net with real money), about 7 handed I think, and i get pocket 7's UTG+1. Limp im, get about 2 or 3 other callers, and SB raises. BB folds, and usually I'll fold with just 7's, but I see a place to isolate which would usually make my hand a favorite, plus I'll  have position on the raiser. I 3-bet, and it's folded back around to the raiser who caps. This worries me some, but I still have position, I call. Flop is something like 10, 4, 5 with 2 clubs. BB checks. I put him on 2 overcards and I bet, he calls. Turn is a blank, he checks again. I bet, he calls. River is a 9. Another overcard, but not one I'd think the BB would have. he again checks, and I bet. Did I play this reasonable? Didn't think he would've had big pair with check/calling every single street, and I didn't think overcards hit for him to make a bigger pair. Would anyone have played this differently?

Anything is "reasonable" for play money. Trying to analyze play money hands is futile at best.

[BuzzWorthy]

Since you were behind him, I'd probably just check the river. For you to win, he's probably got 88, 66, or two big cards. In this case he might fold the river. Even with the 88 he might fold to the bet with overcards on the board.However, the reason I'd check the river is that he appears to be slowplaying a big pair. You didn't post wheter he check-raised you on the river, but if he was slowplaying, that's what he was going for. The only way to prevent this is to check the river. He did cap preflop, so he's got something. He called all along with cards that wouldn't appear to help. He also could've had 99 and hit his set on the river. That would explain the check-calling.

[looshle]

Limp im, get about 2 or 3 other callers, and SB raises. BB folds, and usually I'll fold with just 7's,Folding for another bet after you've limped in is pretty bad. Don't limp in if you arent gonna call 1 more bet especially if you think the 2 or 3 behind you will call because youll be getting either 7-1 or 9-1 to call 1 more bet, you can either just call here looking to hit a set or isolate like you did.

[RISEorFall]

ok 1) you analyze micro limit hands, that's almost just the same. The players aren't any better because they're playing with real money, they're playing with nickels and dimes. I've seen more good players at play money tables than I have at real money micro tables (I don't play on them hardly ever, but I do lurk a bit). A lot of people use play money for practice, and I'm asking for a response to how I played the hand, regardless of what stakes it was. If I played 100/200$ table would you have an intelligent reply then?2) If he was slowplaying a big pair, waiting til the river to check-raise is horrible. He is asking to get drawn out on. I don't see how you can put him on a big pair when he's check/called every street. People cap with stuff other than big pairs. At this table I saw capping with KJ, QJ, AJ. Forgot to mention that, my fault, I was in a hurry to post I had to leave for work. Oh he check/called the river too, forgot to put that in. Anyway the only hand I could figure he'd cap pre-flop with then check/call down with was AK or AQ. It was a rather loose table and he could've had KJ or something, but I was 99% sure the 9 and 10 didn't help him. At work tonight I thought about this hand and decided that betting the river might've been wrong because the only hands that would call would have me beat. But, I argued with myself, I'm 90% sure I'm ahead here, and I'm betting for value. If he calls me with A high, i get another big bet. If he doesn't, I haven't lost anything and I don't have to show my hand. And I feel checking here is weak, as he hasn't shown any strength at all after the flop. So, before I post results I'd like a few more responses. Should I bet for value here or just check behind him?thanks for the input tho Buzz

[Vade]

cdddc75 said:

RISEorFall said:

Playing at a 5/10 table at Full Tilt (play money, for some reason I don't trust the net with real money), about 7 handed I think, and i get pocket 7's UTG+1. Limp im, get about 2 or 3 other callers, and SB raises. BB folds, and usually I'll fold with just 7's, but I see a place to isolate which would usually make my hand a favorite, plus I'll  have position on the raiser. I 3-bet, and it's folded back around to the raiser who caps. This worries me some, but I still have position, I call. Flop is something like 10, 4, 5 with 2 clubs. BB checks. I put him on 2 overcards and I bet, he calls. Turn is a blank, he checks again. I bet, he calls. River is a 9. Another overcard, but not one I'd think the BB would have. he again checks, and I bet. Did I play this reasonable? Didn't think he would've had big pair with check/calling every single street, and I didn't think overcards hit for him to make a bigger pair. Would anyone have played this differently?

Anything is "reasonable" for play money. Trying to analyze play money hands is futile at best.

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[BuzzWorthy]

RISEorFall said:

2) If he was slowplaying a big pair, waiting til the river to check-raise is horrible. He is asking to get drawn out on. I don't see how you can put him on a big pair when he's check/called every street. People cap with stuff other than big pairs. At this table I saw capping with KJ, QJ, AJ. Forgot to mention that, my fault, I was in a hurry to post I had to leave for work. Oh he check/called the river too, forgot to put that in.  Anyway the only hand I could figure he'd cap pre-flop with then check/call down with was AK or AQ. It was a rather loose table and he could've had KJ or something, but I was 99% sure the 9 and 10 didn't help him. At work tonight I thought about this hand and decided that betting the river might've been wrong because the only hands that would call would have me beat. But, I argued with myself, I'm 90% sure I'm ahead here, and I'm  betting for value. If he calls me with A high, i get another big bet. If he doesn't, I haven't lost anything and I don't have to show my hand. And I feel checking here is weak, as he hasn't shown any strength at all after the flop.  So, before I post results I'd like a few more responses. Should I bet for value here or just check behind him?thanks for the input tho Buzz

Yes, mentioning the loose table would've been useful. Also, I think that your point about play money tables is accurate - however, there are also people that are learning on those tables, so you should expect some additional looseness and occasional wild hands. Is this someone you've played against before? Do you have a feel for the way he plays?It sounds like you've thought this through, and done a good job at that. Slowplaying until the river is not necessarily horrible (although in this case with the flush draw on the board, not the wisest thing). All I am saying is that the check-call play is the sign of either a slowplay, or a bad player. Since you're stating the case that good players are at the table (although this does conflict with the looseness you mentioned), I would put a good player on a slow play. Aside from the flush draw, none of those cards scare someone holding AA, KK, QQ, or even JJ, especially for one bet. I went with you assumption that you were playing against good players, and suggested the check to prevent the check-raise slow play.On the other hand, you are sugesting that this person is a loose or bad player, and you put them on AK or AQ. Well, given that info, a value bet is a fine idea. He could've been drawing to the flush - given it was capped pre-flop, he might've had the odds.Let me take a wild guess at his hand - A9 clubs?

[Abbaddabba]

****. Who cares.My opinion is this - the vast majority of the time, the individuals at low limit play chip tables are so irrational, you have to wonder if they're just sitting at the table clicking random buttons. There's no point in "isolating". There's no point in "analyzing". Ugh.

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1) you analyze micro limit hands, that's almost just the same. The players aren't any better because they're playing with real money, they're playing with nickels and dimes.

Yes, they are better. No, not by much. People often give similar responses when people try to overanalyze 1/2cent games. Though even then, the skill level at 1/2 is far superior to the lower level play chip games. At the highest level play chip games, you may approach the skill level you'll find at the 1/2 cent games.When they're playing for 5/10 play chips, the decision is as often dictated by how close their mouse pointer is to a button than how many chips they may win or lose. Because in all honesty, the effort it takes to move your mouse from "call" to "fold" is about equal to the value of 10 play chips.

[wrto4556]

You played *perfect*.Folding for one more bet would be bad, as looshle said.

[NormanHaupt]

If you think playmoney and playing low limit is the same thing, you've got the same exact mentality as the rest of the fish. They're not.

[Swift_Psycho]

ok 1) you analyze micro limit hands, that's almost just the same.They really aren't, but okay.

[obs]

You played fine. I value bet this river. With absolutely no agression shown thus far he most likely has over cards. You are ahead over 50% of the time here so betting is +EV.Anyways, micro limits are not the same as play money. You've got a spare $10 right? Try out the 0.01/0.02 games at Poker Stars. Who knows, you might even win some money, and I'm sure $10 isn't too much to risk to the internet...

[RISEorFall]

Abbaddabba said:

There's no point in "isolating". There's no point in "analyzing". When they're playing for 5/10 play chips, the decision is as often dictated by how close their mouse pointer is to a button than how many chips they may win or lose.

you're right. No point in isolating. Even tho my 3-bet pre-flop did actually isolate me and a player to my right. All the limpers folded. I guess their mouse buttons were closer to fold and this guy's was closer to raise. Hmm funny how that works out...Also funny how if I just said this was a .5/1 limit game I would've gotten more than like 2 or 3 actual responses to the hand. Thanks Buzz and wrto and obs, i appreciate your thoughts on how I played the hand. Cause that's what I wanted, thoughts on how I played the hand, not analization of the other players. Because that's what play money is for...sharpening your game. Oh and Buzz, he flipped over pocket Q's. I'm not sure why he would cap pre-flop then call me down afterwards. I guess he thought I hit a set of 10s or something.

[Abbaddabba]

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Oh and Buzz, he flipped over pocket Q's. I'm not sure why he would cap pre-flop then call me down afterwards

Some of us have already explained why. The monkey factor can always come into effect at the play chip tables. He's as likely to think that you have him beat as he is to be thinking "he probably has a/k... i wanna wait to see of he sucks out on me be4 i put lots of my chips in the pot".*cue an intense mouth breathing moment on his part once he realizes no ace or king came out, followed by a long pause before his check raise*

[BuzzWorthy]

RISEorFall said:

Oh and Buzz, he flipped over pocket Q's. I'm not sure why he would cap pre-flop then call me down afterwards. I guess he thought I hit a set of 10s or something.

If he would've raised the river, I'd give him credit for a nice slowplay, even though he's lucky no K or A came on the board, and you didn't hit your set. Since he didn't raise on the river (assuming I didn't miss that), you just have to assume he called down with the Q's because he's a weak player - because that is a HORRIBLE play. Unfortunately, that gives ammo to the play money critics on this post, but in my opinion, that's why he's there - to learn... wouldn't want to play that bad for real money!

[RISEorFall]

Yeah, I realize his play probably came from it being play money, but I was more worried about my play and whether I should've bet the river for value or checked behind him. I was just asking if in the long run was my play making more money than it was gonna lose. I get the feeling that most of the time I'm ahead in this situation and I should bet for value. Even though he turned over a weak played QQ. If I get check/raised on the river well, he's lucky I didn't draw out on him. I wasn't asking for what people thought he had or what he could've had given it was play money. So thanks Buzz and the others who gave me advice on how I played it.