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[Swift_Psycho]

I'm curious as to whether or not I horribly misplayed this hand or not. I realize my UTG call with J-10suited may not be ideal, but I'm more curious about my call on the flop with two backdoor draws and two overcards. Is it a bad play? When I hit a ten on the turn, I just started betting out and never got played back at, so I fired out on the river as well. Another question I had is, if I get raised on the turn after betting out, do I let it go then?PokerStars Game #1507037534: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - ShaJen: posts small blind $0.10TexasRooster: posts big blind $0.25rrapidrobert: posts big blind $0.25*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Psycho_Sun [Jc Tc]Psycho_Sun: calls $0.25woodpecker3: calls $0.253 foldsUrack9: calls $0.25rrapidrobert: checks 1 foldShaJen: calls $0.15TexasRooster: checks *** FLOP *** [3c 8d 4d]ShaJen: checks TexasRooster: checks Psycho_Sun: checks woodpecker3: bets $0.25Urack9: calls $0.25rrapidrobert: calls $0.25ShaJen: folds TexasRooster: calls $0.25Psycho_Sun: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [3c 8d 4d] [Ts]TexasRooster: checks Psycho_Sun: bets $0.50woodpecker3: calls $0.50Urack9: calls $0.50rrapidrobert: folds TexasRooster: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [3c 8d 4d Ts] [3s]TexasRooster: checks Psycho_Sun: bets $0.50woodpecker3: calls $0.50Urack9: calls $0.50TexasRooster: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***???????????????????Comments please (good or bad, I'm not partial).Sidenote: Forgive me for not using the hand converter. I rarely post hands and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work properly.

[Ebonwoulfe]

If you didn't win this pot, I'm stunned. Your opponenets played weak like kittens if they had you beat.Careful w/ your backdoor straight draw, as there are two to a diff. suit out there... your dream card is obviously 9c or an offsuit T or J, but how do you play if a 9d comes? Good and bad.I imagine woodpecker called you down w/ something like A8off or a poorly played 99, and the other dude had 9T (I hope) or you lost to something like TQ who was afraid you might have him outkicked.

[Swift_Psycho]

****bump****Come on guys, can anyone else help me out here?

[cdddc75]

Calling UTG with JTs is ok with me at this level.Calling one on the flop with overs is fine.Leading out on the turn and river was good.Not much to say here. If you got beat, someone left a lot of money on the table.

[Vade]

I agree that you probably won this handYou got lucky that you were playing against people with no aggresion.Calling one bet with over cards, while not teriffic is okay I think with 5 people in the pot before the flop.Problem is you have no idea where you stand, but this play seems okay to me

[CoolHandLaw]

Swift_Psycho said:

PokerStars Game #1507037534:  Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - ShaJen: posts small blind $0.10TexasRooster: posts big blind $0.25rrapidrobert: posts big blind $0.25*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Psycho_Sun [Jc Tc]Psycho_Sun: calls $0.25woodpecker3: calls $0.253 foldsUrack9: calls $0.25rrapidrobert: checks  1 foldShaJen: calls $0.15TexasRooster: checks  *** FLOP *** [3c 8d 4d]ShaJen: checks  TexasRooster: checks  Psycho_Sun: checks  woodpecker3: bets $0.25Urack9: calls $0.25rrapidrobert: calls $0.25ShaJen: folds  TexasRooster: calls $0.25Psycho_Sun: calls $0.25 I'd call here too.  2 overcards, and if the flush hits, you'll know about it and can possibly get away from this hand quite easily*** TURN *** [3c 8d 4d] [Ts]TexasRooster: checks  Psycho_Sun: bets $0.50 Betting here is good. If  anyone raises you, you figure him for a set or two-pair.  Since they just called, I'd put them on a draw and you can bet the river if its favourablewoodpecker3: calls $0.50Urack9: calls $0.50rrapidrobert: folds  TexasRooster: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [3c 8d 4d Ts] [3s]TexasRooster: checks  Psycho_Sun: bets $0.50 I'd bet it here as well, but be weary of a trips now too.  No backdoor draws hit.  Your 10 figures to be good, but may be outkicked.woodpecker3: calls $0.50Urack9: calls $0.50TexasRooster: folds  *** SHOW DOWN ***???????????????????Comments please (good or bad, I'm not partial).Sidenote: Forgive me for not using the hand converter.  I rarely post hands and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work properly.

Like Ebonwoulfe said, if you lost, that was poorly played if it was 2-pair, or river trips. Very passive table it seems like.

[CoolHandLaw]

Whether or not you let it go on the turn to a raise, its situational I think. I'd be hard pressed to let it go, but it does depend on your opponents. But if this table is as passive as it seems to me, then alluva sudden they wake up and raise you...well, thats probably a good indicator that something big just happened.

[JaysonWeber]

J-10 Suited UTG? You got lucky to win this man That's -EV from the start lol.

[Swift_Psycho]

You guys are definitely right, it was a rather soft table. Once I tell you what these two flipped over, you'll probably laugh. I'm more interested in whether my play in this hand was good or bad in the long run.woodpecker3 turned over pocket 6's and Urack9 flipped up K-4off. I laughed and took some notes. Thanks for everyone's help.

[JaysonWeber]

Swift_Psycho said:

I'm more interested in whether my play in this hand was good or bad in the long run.

In the long run, this is -EV, you should never call J-10 Suited UTG if that's what you're wondering so the postflop play should never come into question. Not being rude by anymeans, just stating the truth man, you WILL loose money playing J-10 Suited from UTG in a 10-max or 6-max game, I fold it 4-handed UTG.

[Swift_Psycho]

JaysonWeber said:

Swift_Psycho said:

I'm more interested in whether my play in this hand was good or bad in the long run.

In the long run, this is -EV, you should never call J-10 Suited UTG if that's what you're wondering so the postflop play should never come into question. Not being rude by anymeans, just stating the truth man, you WILL loose money playing J-10 Suited from UTG in a 10-max or 6-max game, I fold it 4-handed UTG.

That wasn't really my question, I am quite aware that calling UTG with that hand was bad. I hadn't seen anything but junk for a while and grew restless. I was actually interested in whether or not my call on the flop with two backdoor draws and two overcards was a good play or not.

[JaysonWeber]

Well, lets answer that, the Backdoor Flush + Backdoor Straight draw give you 2.5 outs, 2 overs gives you 6 more outs, thats if you think that the J or 10 will win if not improved. If thats the case you've got 8.5 outs so you need the pot to lay roughly 1-4.5 to you at this point, You didn't format it so I can't really tell, but most of the time the pot's gonna lay that to you off the flop so I'm gonna go ahead and assume the flop had more than 1.25 in it. If the pot had over , its correct to call .25 into a pot with 1.25 is +EV for your cards there.

[woutoR]

I think this JTs is actually correct to call in EP, you have 6people in the pot and on the flop you have a gunshot flush and gunshot straight draw and also 2 overcards (who can easily be dominated) the pot is big, this are good reasons to call at least the flop

[Absolute]

Swift_Psycho said:

I'm curious as to whether or not I horribly misplayed this hand or not.  I realize my UTG call with J-10suited may not be ideal, but I'm more curious about my call on the flop with two backdoor draws and two overcards.  Is it a bad play?  When I hit a ten on the turn, I just started betting out and never got played back at, so I fired out on the river as well.  Another question I had is, if I get raised on the turn after betting out, do I let it go then?PokerStars Game #1507037534:  Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - ShaJen: posts small blind $0.10TexasRooster: posts big blind $0.25rrapidrobert: posts big blind $0.25*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Psycho_Sun [Jc Tc]Psycho_Sun: calls $0.25woodpecker3: calls $0.253 foldsUrack9: calls $0.25rrapidrobert: checks  1 foldShaJen: calls $0.15TexasRooster: checks  *** FLOP *** [3c 8d 4d]ShaJen: checks  TexasRooster: checks  Psycho_Sun: checks  woodpecker3: bets $0.25Urack9: calls $0.25rrapidrobert: calls $0.25ShaJen: folds  TexasRooster: calls $0.25Psycho_Sun: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [3c 8d 4d] [Ts]TexasRooster: checks  Psycho_Sun: bets $0.50woodpecker3: calls $0.50Urack9: calls $0.50rrapidrobert: folds  TexasRooster: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [3c 8d 4d Ts] [3s]TexasRooster: checks  Psycho_Sun: bets $0.50woodpecker3: calls $0.50Urack9: calls $0.50TexasRooster: folds  *** SHOW DOWN ***???????????????????Comments please (good or bad, I'm not partial).Sidenote: Forgive me for not using the hand converter.  I rarely post hands and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work properly.

The problem here is you don't know how to use the converter!Just paste the HH in, switch the drop down format box to "Bet the Pot", then click convert.Copy that new HTML into the message box.Voila!Anyway, fold J10s UTG. It is a playable hand PF with some action in front of you. Seeing as how you did play it, fold the flop.

[CavemanDoctor]

I guess I'm one of the few but I don't really have qualms with your UTG JTs call. At these low limits (and as I'm sure you noticed by previous hands, and what this hand confirms), play can very well be loose and passive. These types of tables provide a higher-than-average amount of limpers, increasing the value of your hand. Hell, even if you get a LP raise, you and all the limpers will probably call, which, given the multiway flexibility of your hand, is not a bad thing.