12 replies to this topic

[obs]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP with J:club:, J:spade:. UTG raises, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (9.50 SB) J:diamond:, 5:diamond:, 3:club: (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, BB calls.Turn: (10.75 BB) 5:spade: (3 players)BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.River: (22.75 BB) T:spade: (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls, BB calls.Final Pot: 34.75 BB

[tskillz187]

ewww - i sure hope someone had 55 but thats some loose preflop maybe you ran into overly aggressive kk and aa

[Absolute]

Slowplaying here is bad.Three-bet the flop.In order to slowplay you need to know1) that the free card will unlikely give your opponents a better hand than yours, but could improve them. 2) small pot with the flush on board and three people to the flop with your 3-bet preflop, you shouldn't be slowplaying the nuts here.3 - bet the flop.

[TFABOM]

3-bet the flop.3-bet the river.

[Ebonwoulfe]

Absolute said:

Slowplaying here is bad.Three-bet the flop.In order to slowplay you need to know1) that the free card will unlikely give your opponents a better hand than yours, but could improve them.  2) small pot  with the flush on board and three people to the flop with your 3-bet preflop, you shouldn't be slowplaying the nuts here.3 - bet the flop.

Don't three-bet the flop for this reason...Three bet it because you're so damn far ahead you're making bookoos of bucks.Three betting won't shut out anyone w/ a flush draw who might draw out against you... it's a big pot, there's 2 callers... even if it were 4 to me on the flop, if I knew both my opponents would call, I would be in there with a flush draw. I would be praying for the board not to pair and to catch my flush, but... ya know.The only reason to slow down is to aid in disguising your hand. No reason to do this in a big pot. Hopefully you're up against AA and 33 or some genius w/ A5, but... oh well, you're not folding!Colossal pot...

[Absolute]

Ebounwolfe didn't read my post.The reason I said to three-bet it is because it is a big pot.Hence the only slowplay in small pots remark.sigh

[Ebonwoulfe]

Absolute said:

Ebounwolfe didn't read my post.The reason I said to three-bet it is because it is a big pot.Hence the only slowplay in small pots remark.sigh

The problem here is that he's more than likely (say if he just had AA or KK). Sound like a strange concept? It is!BUT!I haven't explained why!If he only calls the flop, he keeps the pot size down. If the flush card misses on the turn, he can now jump in with a check-raise or a reraise to try to shut out the flush draw. If he caps the flop, the pot will likely be too big, even if he raises a bet on the turn, to give the flush draw poor odds to chase.IF he didn't have a set (say he had AA or KK or QQ or JA or whatever you want to give him), he might follow this line to try to keep a draw from getting there on the river against his more modest hand.However, w/ top set, raise it up! NOT to shut out the field, but to get more $$$ in the pot!

[GT123]

Ebonwoulfe said:

Absolute said:

Ebounwolfe didn't read my post.The reason I said to three-bet it is because it is a big pot.Hence the only slowplay in small pots remark.sigh

The problem here is that he's more than likely (say if he just had AA or KK). Sound like a strange concept? It is!BUT!I haven't explained why!If he only calls the flop, he keeps the pot size down. If the flush card misses on the turn, he can now jump in with a check-raise or a reraise to try to shut out the flush draw. If he caps the flop, the pot will likely be too big, even if he raises a bet on the turn, to give the flush draw poor odds to chase.IF he didn't have a set (say he had AA or KK or QQ or JA or whatever you want to give him), he might follow this line to try to keep a draw from getting there on the river against his more modest hand.However, w/ top set, raise it up! NOT to shut out the field, but to get more $$$ in the pot!

what you mentioned is waiting for the turn to protect. TOP SET doesn't need protecting. The chances of top set improving to a full house or better are just as high as a flush being completed. So the raise is for value on all streets, not for protecting.

[RISEorFall]

ok, but say you 3-bet and BB folds to 2 reraises of his original bet. Now UTG with his overpair or whathave you, sees you 3-bet this and after thinking for a minute decides with this action pre-flop and post-flop, you must have trips or a bigger pair than him and either check/calls you down or folds on the turn. i think it's better to call and see if we can get BB along for the ride. Better to throw in a raise on the turn and river when bets are bigger and it might confuse opponents more when you raise on blank cards. Even if they don't have much they may call you down to see what you had. Or, if they fold they have atleast put in big bets and not small bets, making you a little more money.

[wrto4556]

The pots too big.3-bet the flop3-bet the river

[obs]

Yea, I played it way too weak. Anyways, one guy had 53 and the other had 33. Not sure which one UTG had but I can't imagine either of those hands worth raising in that position.

[TFABOM]

obs said:

Yea, I played it way too weak.  Anyways, one guy had 53 and the other had 33.  Not sure which one UTG had but I can't imagine either of those hands worth raising in that position.

Since you were up against someone who would be in there with 5-3, raise the flop. He could have easily had A-4, or A-2. 3-bet that river too, can't be afraid of quads.