interesting 2/4 he hands from pp
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#1
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:01 PM
Hi all, here's a few hands I played today that I'm interested in getting some feedback on. I'll post the results of the hands later.Thanks in advanceZarathustraKingZarathus on Empire Poker, KingTravis on Party PokerHand #1:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is MP1 with K:club: , K:diamond: . 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (8 SB) T:heart:, 5:heart: , 7:diamond: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (10 BB) 9:heart: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra checks.River: (10 BB) A:heart: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra checks.Final Pot: 10 BBPreflop and on the flop I figured I figured I had the best hand. With 3 callers on the flop I figured someone had made the flush and since I didn't have the K:heart: I didn't bet again. Is this too passive of me or was it a good point to slow down? After it checked around I resolved as long as an A or a
doesn't show I'm leading again. The A:heart: comes so I check, not sure if I'll call a bet (probably wouldn't).---------------------------------------------------------------Hand #2:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with 7:spade:, 8:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2. UTG calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Flop: (9 SB) 2:heart:, 8:heart:, T:heart: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) 8:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, UTG folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.River: (10.50 BB) 3:diamond: (3 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BBI complete the SB with a suited connector and the BB raises to a call from everyone. I hitt a pair on the flop of 3 :heart:'s and check. It checks around and I hit trips on the turn. I'm either way ahead now with trips, or drawing to one of 10 outs for a full house. I lead out and immediately get raised by the BB. I obviously call and when the river doesn't fill me up I should have folded on the river figuring he has a flush. Should I have bet the turn or check/call?-------------------------------------------Hand #3:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is UTG with 9:diamond:, 9:spade:. MP3 posts a blind of $2. Zarathustra calls, 1 fold, Zarathustra calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.Flop: (9.50 SB) 2:club:, K:heart:, K:spade: (4 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) 8:heart: (2 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (9.75 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 11.75 BBHere's a shining example of how not to play 99. I limp UTG hoping to gets lots of callers to improve pot odds. Is a raise better here? why? The BB is VERY loose, playing anything and calling with anything and raising with hands like 10Qo (97.33 VP$IP in 75 hands, 55 went to showdown). His leading on the flop could mean he has a 2 (great) or a K (bad). I raise to find out where I am and he 3 bets. At this point I should have called and folded to his bet on the turn. Instead, I manage to throw two more BB at him to see what he had.----------------------------------------------Hand #4Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:spade:, Q:club:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (9 SB) K:diamond:, 3:spade:, A:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (8.50 BB) 8:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.River: (10.50 BB) 8:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 10.50 BBI get AQo in the SB and the CO+1 raises. I decide to call and continue to play the hand horribly. After the flop, I'm either way ahead or drawing nearly dead to various runner, runner combo's. My lead on the flop was to see where I was, the raise tells me the flop helped him somehow, the question is how much. I then check/call the rest of the way though he checks on the river.Is this a hand you would normally fold in this situation to a raise? How would you proceed after a flop like that? This is one of those borderline hands and in this case I think I should have folded or been more aggressive.-----------------------------------------------Hand #5Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with K:spade:, Q:spade:. UTG calls, 6 folds, Button calls, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) T:diamond:, 7:spade:, 4:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls.Turn: (3 BB) Q:club: (2 players)Zarathustra bets, Button calls.River: (5 BB) 6:club: (2 players)Zarathustra bets, Button calls.Final Pot: 7 BBHere's another borderline hand. KQs from the SB when unraised. In this case I chose not raise because it's only for value (with more people I would raise for value) and I figure to get more from KX or QX since they won't put me on this good of a kicker (and not worried about AK or AQ because no raise.) After the preflop I'm happy with how I played the hand.On the flop I lead out with two overcards and a good flush draw, the button is the same crazy guy from hand #3 so I'm not too worried about him other than a random two pair. After hitting the Q I lead again and am called. I value bet the river because this guy is so loose. Try and guess what he called me down with.-------------------------------------------------Hand #6Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:diamond:, 6:diamond:. CO posts a blind of $2. 4 folds, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) 7:spade:, 4:spade:, 6:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Zarathustra calls.Turn: (3 BB) J:diamond: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (5 BB) 5:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 7 BBHere's another hand I'd really like feedback on. Preflop it's an easy complete. After the flop it's harder to tell. Most of the time I would fold this hand but this time I decided to check/call down with how the board came. I didn't think the BB had 2 :spade:'s or the seven, instead I put him on a semi-bluff with 1
and maybe a 6 or a 4. Since a 4th
didn't come I decided to pay him off and see what he had.How'd I play this one?Results to follow later
#2
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:14 PM
#1) bet the turn, fold to a raise#2)he could have a flush, but overpair with no heart might do the same, id probably have bet the river#3)im dropping as soon as he 3bets the flop, every raising hand but AQ has you beat (10s,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AK,KQs)#4)okay#5)raise KQs when limped to you, rest of the hand looks good#6)fold on the flop, fold on the turn, fold on the riverbe more aggressive, less check/call
#3
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:18 PM
Zarathustra said:
Hand #1:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is MP1 with K:club: , K:diamond: . 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (8 SB) T:heart:, 5:heart: , 7:diamond: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (10 BB) 9:heart: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra checks.River: (10 BB) A:heart: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra checks.Final Pot: 10 BB---------------------------------------------------------------
Zarathustra said:
Hand #2:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with 7:spade:, 8:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2. UTG calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Flop: (9 SB) 2:heart:, 8:heart:, T:heart: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) 8:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, UTG folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.River: (10.50 BB) 3:diamond: (3 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BB
Zarathustra said:
Hand #3:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is UTG with 9:diamond:, 9:spade:. MP3 posts a blind of $2. Zarathustra calls, 1 fold, Zarathustra calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.Flop: (9.50 SB) 2:club:, K:heart:, K:spade: (4 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) 8:heart: (2 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (9.75 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 11.75 BB
Zarathustra said:
Hand #4Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:spade:, Q:club:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (9 SB) K:diamond:, 3:spade:, A:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (8.50 BB) 8:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.River: (10.50 BB) 8:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 10.50 BB
Zarathustra said:
Hand #5Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with K:spade:, Q:spade:. UTG calls, 6 folds, Button calls, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) T:diamond:, 7:spade:, 4:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls.Turn: (3 BB) Q:club: (2 players)Zarathustra bets, Button calls.River: (5 BB) 6:club: (2 players)Zarathustra bets, Button calls.Final Pot: 7 BB
Zarathustra said:
Hand #6Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:diamond:, 6:diamond:. CO posts a blind of $2. 4 folds, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) 7:spade:, 4:spade:, 6:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Zarathustra calls.Turn: (3 BB) J:diamond: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (5 BB) 5:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 7 BB
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#4
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:29 PM
First Hand: Bet the turn and river.Second Hand: Looks fine.Third Hand: Raise 99 UTG PF. Fold to the three-bet on the flop.Fourth Hand: i would three-bet the flop here, not sure what anyone else thinks. if he calls the three bet, bet the turn. if he caps, check/call.Fifth Hand: Raise PF.Sixth Hand: Fold the flop. Absolutely fold the turn.
i saw him at the riverbank. he was breaking bread and giving thanks. with crosses made of pipes and planks. leaned up against the nitrous tanks.
he said take a hit. hold your breath and i'll dunk your head. then when you wake up, you'll be high as hell and born again.
- The Hold Steady
he said take a hit. hold your breath and i'll dunk your head. then when you wake up, you'll be high as hell and born again.
- The Hold Steady
#5
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:41 PM
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Hand #2:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with 7:spade:, 8:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2. UTG calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Flop: (9 SB) 2:heart:, 8:heart:, T:heart: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) 8:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, UTG folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.River: (10.50 BB) 3:diamond: (3 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BBI complete the SB with a suited connector and the BB raises to a call from everyone. I hitt a pair on the flop of 3 :heart:'s and check. It checks around and I hit trips on the turn. I'm either way ahead now with trips, or drawing to one of 10 outs for a full house. I lead out and immediately get raised by the BB. I obviously call and when the river doesn't fill me up I should have folded on the river figuring he has a flush. Should I have bet the turn or check/call?
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Hand #4Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:spade:, Q:club:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (9 SB) K:diamond:, 3:spade:, A:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (8.50 BB) 8:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.River: (10.50 BB) 8:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 10.50 BB I get AQo in the SB and the CO+1 raises. I decide to call and continue to play the hand horribly. After the flop, I'm either way ahead or drawing nearly dead to various runner, runner combo's. My lead on the flop was to see where I was, the raise tells me the flop helped him somehow, the question is how much. I then check/call the rest of the way though he checks on the river.Is this a hand you would normally fold in this situation to a raise? How would you proceed after a flop like that? This is one of those borderline hands and in this case I think I should have folded or been more aggressive.
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Hand #6Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:diamond:, 6:diamond:. CO posts a blind of $2. 4 folds, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) 7:spade:, 4:spade:, 6:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Zarathustra calls.Turn: (3 BB) J:diamond: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (5 BB) 5:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 7 BBHere's another hand I'd really like feedback on. Preflop it's an easy complete. After the flop it's harder to tell. Most of the time I would fold this hand but this time I decided to check/call down with how the board came. I didn't think the BB had 2 :spade:'s or the seven, instead I put him on a semi-bluff with 1
and maybe a 6 or a 4. Since a 4th
didn't come I decided to pay him off and see what he had.
#6
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:52 PM
Hand #1:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is MP1 with K:club: , K:diamond: . 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (8 SB) T:heart:, 5:heart: , 7:diamond: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (10 BB) 9:heart: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra checks.bet. call down if raisedRiver: (10 BB) A:heart: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Zarathustra checks.I'd bet this. They showed weakness on the turn. so you could be goosd hereFinal Pot: 10 BBPreflop and on the flop I figured I figured I had the best hand. With 3 callers on the flop I figured someone had made the flush and since I didn't have the K:heart: I didn't bet again. Is this too passive of me or was it a good point to slow down? After it checked around I resolved as long as an A or a
doesn't show I'm leading again. The A:heart: comes so I check, not sure if I'll call a bet (probably wouldn't).---------------------------------------------------------------Hand #2:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with 7:spade:, 8:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2. UTG calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Flop: (9 SB) 2:heart:, 8:heart:, T:heart: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) 8:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, UTG folds, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.River: (10.50 BB) 3:diamond: (3 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Button calls, Zarathustra calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BBlooks fine. I'd maybe bet the flop as a feelerbet, but I wouldn't fully advocate it. I like to live dangerous, oooohhhh, lolI complete the SB with a suited connector and the BB raises to a call from everyone. I hitt a pair on the flop of 3 :heart:'s and check. It checks around and I hit trips on the turn. I'm either way ahead now with trips, or drawing to one of 10 outs for a full house. I lead out and immediately get raised by the BB. I obviously call and when the river doesn't fill me up I should have folded on the river figuring he has a flush. Should I have bet the turn or check/call?-------------------------------------------Hand #3:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is UTG with 9:diamond:, 9:spade:. MP3 posts a blind of $2. Zarathustra calls, 1 fold, Zarathustra calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.threebet it PF. You have soo much equity here with the dead money also in this pot. Flop: (9.50 SB) 2:club:, K:heart:, K:spade: (4 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.I likey, this would've worked even more if you 3bet, cest la vieTurn: (7.75 BB) 8:heart: (2 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (9.75 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)BB bets, Zarathustra calls.I don't disagree with calling him down considering his stats. good handFinal Pot: 11.75 BBHere's a shining example of how not to play 99. I limp UTG hoping to gets lots of callers to improve pot odds. Is a raise better here? why? The BB is VERY loose, playing anything and calling with anything and raising with hands like 10Qo (97.33 VP$IP in 75 hands, 55 went to showdown). His leading on the flop could mean he has a 2 (great) or a K (bad). I raise to find out where I am and he 3 bets. At this point I should have called and folded to his bet on the turn. Instead, I manage to throw two more BB at him to see what he had.----------------------------------------------Hand #4Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:spade:, Q:club:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.I love this. its really fun to disguise a hand like this with a PF raiserFlop: (9 SB) K:diamond:, 3:spade:, A:club: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.CR this. Its just begging to be CRed. Since you decided to bet out, you need to threebet this flopTurn: (8.50 BB) 8:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Zarathustra calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.it CR time again. if your behind here you have spade outs again. I like to CR, its soo funRiver: (10.50 BB) 8:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, MP3 checks.chop chop, like kissing your sister, blehFinal Pot: 10.50 BBI get AQo in the SB and the CO+1 raises. I decide to call and continue to play the hand horribly. After the flop, I'm either way ahead or drawing nearly dead to various runner, runner combo's. My lead on the flop was to see where I was, the raise tells me the flop helped him somehow, the question is how much. I then check/call the rest of the way though he checks on the river.Is this a hand you would normally fold in this situation to a raise? How would you proceed after a flop like that? This is one of those borderline hands and in this case I think I should have folded or been more aggressive.-----------------------------------------------Hand #5Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with K:spade:, Q:spade:. UTG calls, 6 folds, Button calls, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.raise this PF. Its shorthanded so your equity is real high here considering that you opponents limpedFlop: (4 SB) T:diamond:, 7:spade:, 4:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls.CR this(are we noticing a trend here) if at least two people callTurn: (3 BB) Q:club: (2 players)Zarathustra bets, Button calls.River: (5 BB) 6:club: (2 players)Zarathustra bets, Button calls.coolFinal Pot: 7 BBHere's another borderline hand. KQs from the SB when unraised. In this case I chose not raise because it's only for value (with more people I would raise for value) and I figure to get more from KX or QX since they won't put me on this good of a kicker (and not worried about AK or AQ because no raise.) After the preflop I'm happy with how I played the hand.On the flop I lead out with two overcards and a good flush draw, the button is the same crazy guy from hand #3 so I'm not too worried about him other than a random two pair. After hitting the Q I lead again and am called. I value bet the river because this guy is so loose. Try and guess what he called me down with.-------------------------------------------------Hand #6Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zarathustra is SB with A:diamond:, 6:diamond:. CO posts a blind of $2. 4 folds, Zarathustra completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) 7:spade:, 4:spade:, 6:spade: (4 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Zarathustra calls.bet this out or fold it to a betTurn: (3 BB) J:diamond: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.River: (5 BB) 5:club: (2 players)Zarathustra checks, BB bets, Zarathustra calls.umm, small pot, could be drawing dead. bad play. there was no reason for you to call this down. Bet out on the flop, fold to a raise and don't look backFinal Pot: 7 BBHere's another hand I'd really like feedback on. Preflop it's an easy complete. After the flop it's harder to tell. Most of the time I would fold this hand but this time I decided to check/call down with how the board came. I didn't think the BB had 2 :spade:'s or the seven, instead I put him on a semi-bluff with 1
and maybe a 6 or a 4. Since a 4th
didn't come I decided to pay him off and see what he had.How'd I play this one?Results to follow laterthus spoke Keith(yeah had to get the Nietchze in there. I like your handle)
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#7
Posted 08 April 2005 - 05:29 PM
leading out with 8
7
is horrible.You're hand is not likely to be best, when it is you are likely to get drawn out on, and when it's not best you pay the maximum.basically it's a way behind or barely ahead scenario.Check/calling would be bad. The spiked 8 is the only reason we got to the river.
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#8
Posted 08 April 2005 - 05:45 PM
wrto4556 said:
leading out with 8
7
is horrible.You're hand is not likely to be best, when it is you are likely to get drawn out on, and when it's not best you pay the maximum.basically it's a way behind or barely ahead scenario.Check/calling would be bad. The spiked 8 is the only reason we got to the river.
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#9
Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:30 PM
Thanks for the constructive advice. The general consensus seems to be that I'm too passive. Other than that, I don't think there is much I can argue with. Soon I'll try and get the results up for thost that are interested. A couple of other questions.How do you normally KJo and KQo from EP? I tend to raise if I'm the first one in and limp otherwise.Similarly, is 88 a raising hand UTG or only limp?How do you tend to play Arag suited from various positions?Thanks againZara
#10
Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:58 PM
Hand #1: One guy had J:spade: J:club: , one had T:spade: J:diamond:, and the winner had 3:heart: 3:spade: for the winning flushHand #2: The BB had A:heart: J:heart: for the nut flushHand #3: The wildman (aka burnsy888) had K:diamond: J:diamond:Hand #4: The other aggressor had A:heart: J:heart: so we split the pot (Kdawg gets a doggy treat for this one :-) )Hand #5: burnsy888 called me down with J:diamond: 9:spade, that's right he called me with J high!Hand #6: The BB had 4:heart: 2:club: and I won
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