David_Nicoson 1 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Hero buys into a live 1/2 NLHE (full ring) game for the max of $100.One opponent has $600.Of the others, half have $100ish and half have $300ish.PreflopUTG raises to $20. 3 calls. Hero calls with 8 2 in cut-off. BB raises to 100 4 calls. Hero ? The hero calls, knowing that he's gambling, for the purposes of playing a bigger stack against inferior opponents if he wins (and also advertisement value). The big blind raises to $100, and by the time it got back to me the pot was offering me $520 for an $80 call or 6.5:1. . . . .equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 10.868% 10.28% 00.58% 2533 144.08 { 8c2c }Hand 1: 36.176% 35.84% 00.33% 8829 81.83 { 88+ }Hand 2: 13.298% 12.46% 00.84% 3069 206.58 { random }Hand 3: 12.846% 12.04% 00.81% 2966 198.33 { random }Hand 4: 13.537% 12.78% 00.76% 3148 186.50 { random }Hand 5: 13.274% 12.54% 00.73% 3089 180.67 { random } . . . . equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 12.589% 11.87% 00.72% 671740 40628.08 { 8c2c }Hand 1: 31.090% 30.39% 00.70% 1719834 39481.17 { 88+, AJs+, AJo+ }Hand 2: 14.069% 13.16% 00.91% 744800 51355.33 { random }Hand 3: 14.088% 13.18% 00.91% 745805 51422.00 { random }Hand 4: 14.064% 13.15% 00.91% 744283 51584.08 { random }Hand 5: 14.100% 13.19% 00.90% 746661 51201.33 { random } Over the whole play, the hero trades $100 for $80 in equity, assuming the raiser has some sort of hand. It seems to me that he's using the sunk cost of a really horrible initial call to justify the second call. Does anybody see merit in this play? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Hero buys into a live 1/2 NLHE (full ring) game for the max of $100.One opponent has $600.Of the others, half have $100ish and half have $300ish.PreflopUTG raises to $20. 3 calls. Hero calls with 8 2 in cut-off. BB raises to 100 4 calls. Hero ? The hero calls, knowing that he's gambling, for the purposes of playing a bigger stack against inferior opponents if he wins (and also advertisement value).. . . .equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 10.868% 10.28% 00.58% 2533 144.08 { 8c2c }Hand 1: 36.176% 35.84% 00.33% 8829 81.83 { 88+ }Hand 2: 13.298% 12.46% 00.84% 3069 206.58 { random }Hand 3: 12.846% 12.04% 00.81% 2966 198.33 { random }Hand 4: 13.537% 12.78% 00.76% 3148 186.50 { random }Hand 5: 13.274% 12.54% 00.73% 3089 180.67 { random } . . . . equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 12.589% 11.87% 00.72% 671740 40628.08 { 8c2c }Hand 1: 31.090% 30.39% 00.70% 1719834 39481.17 { 88+, AJs+, AJo+ }Hand 2: 14.069% 13.16% 00.91% 744800 51355.33 { random }Hand 3: 14.088% 13.18% 00.91% 745805 51422.00 { random }Hand 4: 14.064% 13.15% 00.91% 744283 51584.08 { random }Hand 5: 14.100% 13.19% 00.90% 746661 51201.33 { random } Over the whole play, the hero trades $100 for $80 in equity, assuming the raiser has some sort of hand. It seems to me that he's using the sunk cost of a really horrible initial call to justify the second call. Does anybody see merit in this play? I understand the temptation, but the deuce is a wickedly weak card. This just doesn't hit hard often enough against five villains to ever justify.Pretty sick if you did and it hit. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 If you had 33 I could see but not with 82 suited.. I think you should just add $20 more to your stack and keep playing. You can find a better spot to gamble with. Link to post Share on other sites
BDPoolie 0 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 The hero calls, knowing that he's gambling, for the purposes of playing a bigger stack against inferior opponents if he wins (and also advertisement value).I found this funny. He's talking about inferior opponents, yet he called an initial $20 raise with 8-2.Fold Preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I'd understand playing suited connectors. Suited 5-gappers against an UTG raise no matter how deep you are is a bad proposition, regardless of how well attended the pot is.I disagree that there is any merit in this hand. It shoudl've been folded preflop and regardless of awesome pot odds, it should be folded on the flop. In a pot that well attended, it's a given that someone probably has a pair bigger than 88, and it's also likely that his flush draw is dead, meaning he's trying to make 2 pair or a straight with a hand that has 5 gaps in it. Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Given the action on this play alone there is no need to "advertise" you are a donkey because people are calling huge raises and pushes with anything so they really dont care. Fold pre-flop, if you do call first bet just fold to push. You should be walking away from this game a big winner without the need to advertise anything. Link to post Share on other sites
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