nutzbuster, on Monday, March 5th, 2007, 8:42 PM, said:
And as a result the government dictated that we give up everything flourocarbon and for what? Did it really matter? And did we need the government to mandate this change? Capitolistic economic pressure and a public riddled with Chicken Little disease resulted in massive industry changes, mainly the banning of Freon to a far more expensive and far less efficient alternative. For better or worse? Was the sky falling or was it another example of how the earth is gonna do what it's gonna do regardless of us?More and more studies are dispelling the so called scientific experts opinions, and just today another study challenged many claims about Antartica and the amount of snow that falls there, or the amounts of rain falling on other areas. NO ONE KNOWS exactly how much actually falls, but recent data (if you believe it) now shows that the snow in antartica is actually INCREASING.This is why I am firmly taking an anti panic stance on this issue. Cooler heads need top prevail here, as too much of the current data is polluted with bias and appears to be agenda influenced.
You are missing the point. Panicing will not help, making changes to the way we live will. We need to lower the amount of pollution across the globe, period. If we don't it will most probably have catastrophic effects. What people have to realize is that the ozone problem was a big issue, but we solved it, that's why you haven't heard about it. We banned freons and because of that we stopped the negative development. This is exactly what we have to do when it comes to global warming, we have to bite the sour apple and dedicate ourselves to solving the problem once and for all.Let me break this up to you so you can see the problem: We pump oil up from the ground, that would, if we didn't pump it up, stay there. The oil contains a lot of carbon, and when burned, CO2 is produced and release into the atmosphere. CO2 is one of the gases in the atmosphere that is responsible for keeping the energy beamed from the sun on the earth. If we have more carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere the atmosphere will "keep" more of the suns energy on earth. More energy on the earth will mean a lot of things. One thing is that the temperature will increase. If the temperature increases, things like ice, will take up some of that energy and turn into water. If this ice used to be located on land, it will increase the amount of water in the oceans. More water in the oceans will mean higher sea levels. See where this is going? Everything I've said here is fact. Try to dispute even one sentance.Now what will higher sea levels mean? Well, the land that Manhattan sits on will become seafloor. Now this is only one of many possible side effects of global warming, making small changes to a closed ecosystem can have catastrophic effects, as seen in nature. The earth is a closed ecosystem.Remember, you don't have to sell everything you own and move to the forrest to make a change, you just have to make small changes to the way you live. I've done as much as I can.What I have done:Bought low energy lamps (big initial cost, save cost on energy)Changed energy company and to green energy. (Very slight cost increase, about 3-4%)Make sure my tires have the right pressure (Saves me money on gas)Use the car as little as possible (Take train and/or bus instead, saves me a bunch)Recycle as much as possible (Only costs me some time)Turn off electronic equipment completely when not used (Saves me money on energy bill)Don't use tumble drier (Saves me both on energy and clothes, since clothes don't like tumble driers)Buy ecologically grown food as much as possible (High costs, but not by that much, about 10%)Buy as little frozen food as possible (Much higher cost, but on the other hand, fresh food is SO much more healthy and tastes better, so it means higher standard of living)Buy as much food produces in Sweden as possible. Why buy chicken brought up in germany and transported here when we have chicken here. (Higher cost, better tasting, not frozen)Tell as many as possible about the problem and what they can do (costs me nothing but time, and it's time well spent)What I will do:When I get a job (still a full time student), I will buy a car that runs on alcohol fuel as soon as I can afford. Saab has a really cool alcohol car coming out around 2010 (projected) that looks sweet (http://www.saabusa.c...cepts/index.jsp
"Saab Aero X"). Not really a big fan of Saab, but they are one of the few companies selling alcohol cars in Sweden.I've probably forgotten something, but this is what I have done, a student with a really low income. If I can do it, so can others.
FCP's resident swede...
...and global warming informer.
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