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Posted 02 March 2007 - 12:35 PM

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 02:33 AM

View PostPot Odds RAC, on Friday, March 2nd, 2007, 12:24 PM, said:

Might as well believe in a Benevolent Christian God - what's the harm? I mean, to think that millions of people believe in something that is made up is surely crazy. Oh wait, there are millions of Buddhists with conflicting beliefs. Whoops, Muslims too. Even Druids. And Atheists."...I believe if societies across the world pull together to solve the climate crisis (whether it's true or not)..."I just don't even know where to start with that.
You completely missed my point I reckon. I firmly believe there is a major climate crisis because when the evidence is so overwhelming I just can't ignore it, basically because I'm not retarded. So when I look across this site and see so many retards that are still in denial I thought I'd try and take a different approach by saying lets not care so much whether the crisis is there but about the good that could come about by pulling together. I don't know what made me think people that are stupid enough to deny the crisis might be sensible enough to get my alternative angle. Well now I'm just going to have to pray (I don't mean that literally as I'm an atheist) that governments take the lead as so many people just don't have the will and believe what they want to.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 06:03 AM

View Post11 to 1, on Thursday, March 1st, 2007, 2:03 AM, said:

Good job with the graphs but American children haven't beeen required to learn anything in school for longer than most of these guys have been alive and they certainly won't read a graph.
My child learned to read a graph in public elementary school. American schools have some problems, but the kids aren't just sitting around throwing crap at the walls.
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Posted 05 March 2007 - 10:37 AM

View PostSkyblue, on Monday, March 5th, 2007, 2:33 AM, said:

You completely missed my point I reckon. I firmly believe there is a major climate crisis because when the evidence is so overwhelming I just can't ignore it, basically because I'm not retarded. So when I look across this site and see so many retards that are still in denial I thought I'd try and take a different approach by saying lets not care so much whether the crisis is there but about the good that could come about by pulling together. I don't know what made me think people that are stupid enough to deny the crisis might be sensible enough to get my alternative angle. Well now I'm just going to have to pray (I don't mean that literally as I'm an atheist) that governments take the lead as so many people just don't have the will and believe what they want to.
Are you old enough to remember the 1970s when the "Scientists" identified the Ozone Hole? There were predictions of skyrocketing Skin Cancer rates. The conclusion was that the Hole was caused by man and was rapidly increasing in size. Turns out that it was pretty much a natural occurrence - not the result of spray on deodorant.Now, the same "Scientists" who cannot predict yesterday's weather today are claiming that the Earth is warmer than it has been in 400 years - and it is all due to the IC engine. Forget for the moment that Mr Gore is not "carbon neutral" as he claims (could he have an agenda?). I still have never heard a basic explanation to a very basic question: "If the Earth is indeed warmer than it has been in 400 years - what caused it to be this warm 400 years ago?"Not the IC engine surely.Yes. I am a retard. I clearly need the government to come make my decisions for me. Are you also one of the guys screaming about government interference with On-Line Gaming?

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 11:42 AM

View PostPot Odds RAC, on Monday, March 5th, 2007, 11:37 AM, said:

Are you old enough to remember the 1970s when the "Scientists" identified the Ozone Hole? There were predictions of skyrocketing Skin Cancer rates. The conclusion was that the Hole was caused by man and was rapidly increasing in size. Turns out that it was pretty much a natural occurrence - not the result of spray on deodorant.Now, the same "Scientists" who cannot predict yesterday's weather today are claiming that the Earth is warmer than it has been in 400 years - and it is all due to the IC engine. Forget for the moment that Mr Gore is not "carbon neutral" as he claims (could he have an agenda?). I still have never heard a basic explanation to a very basic question: "If the Earth is indeed warmer than it has been in 400 years - what caused it to be this warm 400 years ago?"Not the IC engine surely.Yes. I am a retard. I clearly need the government to come make my decisions for me. Are you also one of the guys screaming about government interference with On-Line Gaming?
And as a result the government dictated that we give up everything flourocarbon and for what? Did it really matter? And did we need the government to mandate this change? Capitolistic economic pressure and a public riddled with Chicken Little disease resulted in massive industry changes, mainly the banning of Freon to a far more expensive and far less efficient alternative. For better or worse? Was the sky falling or was it another example of how the earth is gonna do what it's gonna do regardless of us?More and more studies are dispelling the so called scientific experts opinions, and just today another study challenged many claims about Antartica and the amount of snow that falls there, or the amounts of rain falling on other areas. NO ONE KNOWS exactly how much actually falls, but recent data (if you believe it) now shows that the snow in antartica is actually INCREASING.This is why I am firmly taking an anti panic stance on this issue. Cooler heads need top prevail here, as too much of the current data is polluted with bias and appears to be agenda influenced.



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Posted 05 March 2007 - 12:00 PM

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:52 AM

View Postnutzbuster, on Monday, March 5th, 2007, 8:42 PM, said:

And as a result the government dictated that we give up everything flourocarbon and for what? Did it really matter? And did we need the government to mandate this change? Capitolistic economic pressure and a public riddled with Chicken Little disease resulted in massive industry changes, mainly the banning of Freon to a far more expensive and far less efficient alternative. For better or worse? Was the sky falling or was it another example of how the earth is gonna do what it's gonna do regardless of us?More and more studies are dispelling the so called scientific experts opinions, and just today another study challenged many claims about Antartica and the amount of snow that falls there, or the amounts of rain falling on other areas. NO ONE KNOWS exactly how much actually falls, but recent data (if you believe it) now shows that the snow in antartica is actually INCREASING.This is why I am firmly taking an anti panic stance on this issue. Cooler heads need top prevail here, as too much of the current data is polluted with bias and appears to be agenda influenced.
You are missing the point. Panicing will not help, making changes to the way we live will. We need to lower the amount of pollution across the globe, period. If we don't it will most probably have catastrophic effects. What people have to realize is that the ozone problem was a big issue, but we solved it, that's why you haven't heard about it. We banned freons and because of that we stopped the negative development. This is exactly what we have to do when it comes to global warming, we have to bite the sour apple and dedicate ourselves to solving the problem once and for all.Let me break this up to you so you can see the problem: We pump oil up from the ground, that would, if we didn't pump it up, stay there. The oil contains a lot of carbon, and when burned, CO2 is produced and release into the atmosphere. CO2 is one of the gases in the atmosphere that is responsible for keeping the energy beamed from the sun on the earth. If we have more carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere the atmosphere will "keep" more of the suns energy on earth. More energy on the earth will mean a lot of things. One thing is that the temperature will increase. If the temperature increases, things like ice, will take up some of that energy and turn into water. If this ice used to be located on land, it will increase the amount of water in the oceans. More water in the oceans will mean higher sea levels. See where this is going? Everything I've said here is fact. Try to dispute even one sentance.Now what will higher sea levels mean? Well, the land that Manhattan sits on will become seafloor. Now this is only one of many possible side effects of global warming, making small changes to a closed ecosystem can have catastrophic effects, as seen in nature. The earth is a closed ecosystem.Remember, you don't have to sell everything you own and move to the forrest to make a change, you just have to make small changes to the way you live. I've done as much as I can.What I have done:Bought low energy lamps (big initial cost, save cost on energy)Changed energy company and to green energy. (Very slight cost increase, about 3-4%)Make sure my tires have the right pressure (Saves me money on gas)Use the car as little as possible (Take train and/or bus instead, saves me a bunch)Recycle as much as possible (Only costs me some time)Turn off electronic equipment completely when not used (Saves me money on energy bill)Don't use tumble drier (Saves me both on energy and clothes, since clothes don't like tumble driers)Buy ecologically grown food as much as possible (High costs, but not by that much, about 10%)Buy as little frozen food as possible (Much higher cost, but on the other hand, fresh food is SO much more healthy and tastes better, so it means higher standard of living)Buy as much food produces in Sweden as possible. Why buy chicken brought up in germany and transported here when we have chicken here. (Higher cost, better tasting, not frozen)Tell as many as possible about the problem and what they can do (costs me nothing but time, and it's time well spent)What I will do:When I get a job (still a full time student), I will buy a car that runs on alcohol fuel as soon as I can afford. Saab has a really cool alcohol car coming out around 2010 (projected) that looks sweet (http://www.saabusa.c...cepts/index.jsp "Saab Aero X"). Not really a big fan of Saab, but they are one of the few companies selling alcohol cars in Sweden.I've probably forgotten something, but this is what I have done, a student with a really low income. If I can do it, so can others.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 04:43 AM

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 07:07 AM

Zeatrix, it's good to read posts like yours in amongst all the absolute rubbish from many of the others. You put all these guys to shame and they're too ignorant to even notice it.This is my last post on this thread because I really can't cope with the stuff people are writing. It makes me even more worried about the current crisis. I guess you guys will need something like Greenland to completely melt or Manhattan to be under water before you believe there's a crisis. I mean the vast majority of scientists telling you along with the many many early signs all over the world aren't enough. This is what baffles me most. Do you need to see millions displaced or dead first yeh? People comparing this to past warnings on global cooling are also crazy. There was nowhere near the same scientific argument for that. Even if you think scientists/Al Gore have agendas then just take a look around the world please?? There's ice/snow melting all over, glaciers retreating and rivers drying up! All you need are eyes to see that!! Plus look at the big rise in natural disasters? A lot of them can be attributed to global warming and the rise in ocean temperatures. I don't even know why I'm still building the argument on this one actually, I get the feeling most of you will skim read it and brush it off because some popular press article or Michael Crichton book told you global warming isn't a problem! I seriously think a major problem with this thing in America is that the campaign is being headed by Al Gore. Because he was always a democrat then it means half the damn country is against him whatever he says. As he's tried to say all along though, this isn't a partisan issue! As I've also said before, I think due to Americans being the worst culprits it makes it harder for them to admit their faults and change. Most other nationals that know anything about this issue seem to accept the glaringly obvious truth. Well I've never said this or believed it before but all over the world you'll find people who like to laugh at Americans and say so many of them are pretty much stupid. Please don't tell me this is true??? For the record I don't believe it is.Anyway, I'm over and out here. I have a feeling this is a losing battle I'm fighting. Hopefully the sensible people of the world will save it so even you ignorant idiots and your children will still have somewhere to live in 50 or 100 years.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 09:33 AM

View PostZeatrix, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 12:52 AM, said:

Let me break this up to you so you can see the problem: We pump oil up from the ground, that would, if we didn't pump it up, stay there. The oil contains a lot of carbon, and when burned, CO2 is produced and release into the atmosphere. CO2 is one of the gases in the atmosphere that is responsible for keeping the energy beamed from the sun on the earth. If we have more carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere the atmosphere will "keep" more of the suns energy on earth. More energy on the earth will mean a lot of things. One thing is that the temperature will increase. If the temperature increases, things like ice, will take up some of that energy and turn into water. If this ice used to be located on land, it will increase the amount of water in the oceans. More water in the oceans will mean higher sea levels. See where this is going? Everything I've said here is fact. Try to dispute even one sentance.
Does Co2 only reflect the sun's energy down? It doesn't reflect some of the energy away before it gets trapped in our atmosphere? So a rise in Co2 could actully reflect more of the sun's energy before it adds to the earth's 'problem'? Almost like the natural flow of things is working itself out.

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I guess you guys will need something like Greenland to completely melt or Manhattan to be under water before you believe there's a crisis.
And I officially will believe that there is a problem when Manhatten is underwater. It really sucks for us though that the temperature up there is 31.95 degrees, just barely able to keep the ice frozen so this .5 degree increase is pushing the ice over the edge so to speak. Man if it were only like 30 degrees than a 1 degree increase in temp wouldn't actually melt the entire polar ice caps and raise the entire ocean by 4-10 feet. Oh well, the Earth has alwasy been pretty fragile.I really need to quit baiting you guys. I am just a glutton for drama I guess.But it would help your side alot of you quit your childish name calling of our side. We are not idiots, and you'll notice that most of the chicken little crowd is young, you don't understand why being doubtful of thing reported is a safer route to take. Whenever someone has a book to sell or an agenda to push, follow the money first and you'll be right more than you are wrong.But if you want to believe that the entire world will reduce it's carbon belching internal combustion engines by a factor that is enough to heal the entire ecosystem that is so badly damaged that the entire planetary weather system is now destructive, well you go ahead and do the math. I guess if all cars were outlawed in the entire world it would be a start, but heal the whole planet? Probably too late.However if you were to take the let's clean up the air and water you would get alot farther. Going off on a tangent and blaming the US for being successfull and productive is more likely to just get you shut out of the debate. Pick your battles better and you'll get farther ahead.Or just keep whining while the USA protects your socialist borders, freeing up the money you need to keep your economy killing social programs afloat.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:24 AM

View Post11 to 1, on Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 11:55 PM, said:

No, you certainly are NOT one of the best-read persons I ever met - by a very long shot. No one needs your understanding for the luvva mike, what everyone needs is your ACTION. No, your opinion isn't "valid" because it is not a matter of opinion - which you'd know if you were, indeed, well-read. The time for debate was past about ninety klicks back - people like myself have been telling everyone this for......ready?.....DECADES. Did anyone listen? NO! They just said it was all a matter of interpretation. Am I mean-spirited? Are you insane - people are dying in the millions right now - and have been for quite a while due to global warming, you moron.Gee, I wonder why anyone would get a little testy listening to lazy-a** jerk-offs like you being reasonable while the freakin' Antarctic ice shelf is charting the shortest course to Honolulu? I don't give a tinker's dam in hell what you personally believe or if you think you are qualified to have an opinion, which you are obviously not. Go turn off a few lights, go replace a few lightbulbs with flourescents, turn down your heat and buy a car that doesn't eat gas and learn how to ride the bus. You can tell everyone on it how very wise and wonderful you are and what a jackass I am. I'll even do testimonials as to your unparallelled erudition.This isn't about who is right, this is like arguing about whether cigarettes cause lung cancer while everyone lies dying in the oncology ward.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:27 AM

View PostPot Odds RAC, on Monday, March 5th, 2007, 11:37 AM, said:

Are you old enough to remember the 1970s when the "Scientists" identified the Ozone Hole? There were predictions of skyrocketing Skin Cancer rates. The conclusion was that the Hole was caused by man and was rapidly increasing in size. Turns out that it was pretty much a natural occurrence - not the result of spray on deodorant.Now, the same "Scientists" who cannot predict yesterday's weather today are claiming that the Earth is warmer than it has been in 400 years - and it is all due to the IC engine. Forget for the moment that Mr Gore is not "carbon neutral" as he claims (could he have an agenda?). I still have never heard a basic explanation to a very basic question: "If the Earth is indeed warmer than it has been in 400 years - what caused it to be this warm 400 years ago?"Not the IC engine surely.Yes. I am a retard. I clearly need the government to come make my decisions for me. Are you also one of the guys screaming about government interference with On-Line Gaming?
What caused it to be warmer 400 years ago- that's a damn good question. I would love to hear the answer to that.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:40 PM

View PostLoismustdie, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 2:24 PM, said:

Someday we will meet, and I will pretend I don't know you. It's for the best.
I sense a trend? One day you'll realize it's not 'them' that are wrong, but YOU. But from what i know, you'll be in denial til you die even when that day comes.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:49 PM

View PostMiguel McHarris, on Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 4:56 PM, said:

I'm slighty more worried about having my head blown out of my *** on the E train by some "freedom fighter." I don't care about global warming. There are more important things for me to worry about.
then u r a fool who has been played by his government.yeah...lol, scared of the big bad terrorists, hahaha..u people are so ignorant.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:53 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 10:33 AM, said:

We are not idiots, and you'll notice that most of the chicken little crowd is young, you don't understand why being doubtful of thing reported is a safer route to take. Whenever someone has a book to sell or an agenda to push, follow the money first and you'll be right more than you are wrong.
no, people who deny that global warming is a real threat and man-made ARE idiots.the facts are out there, u people just choose to ignore it, and get your understanding of science from a conservative commentator.there are currently ZERO peer-reviewed, scientific papers out there that claim global warming is not a threat. ZERO. hmmm, where are you getting your 'info' from?
I don't need to be a global citizen because I'm blessed by nationality I'm member of a growing populace we enforce our popularity I feel sorry for the earth's population 'cuz so few live in the U.S.A. At least the foreigners can copy our morality they can visit but they cannot stay Only precious few can garner the prosperity it makes us walk with renewed confidence He's the farmers barren fields the force the army wields The expression in the faces of the starving millions The power of the man he's the fuel that drives the clan He's the motive and conscience of the murderer He's the preacher on t.v. the false sincerity The form letter that's written by the big computers He's the nuclear bombs and the kids with no moms

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 04:02 PM

It's easy to skew the facts about global warming, today rush said "the overnight low at JFK was 13 degrees, an all-time record. Global Warming isn't occurring". If anyone with half a brain analyzes this statement they can see how one isolated incident cannot be used to determine global long term trends. Similar to the donkey who doesn't understand that getting his money in as a 6 to 1 underdog and winning once, doesn't mean he's going to be able to do that over time and win money. I guess that type of rationale is why the avg. IQ of 'red' states is something like 20 pts. lower than the avg. IQ of 'blue' states. I wish I could find that graph, i'm sure a lot of you have seen it, from the 04 election.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 05:50 PM

View PostBWToth, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 4:02 PM, said:

It's easy to skew the facts about global warming, today rush said "the overnight low at JFK was 13 degrees, an all-time record. Global Warming isn't occurring". If anyone with half a brain analyzes this statement they can see how one isolated incident cannot be used to determine global long term trends. Similar to the donkey who doesn't understand that getting his money in as a 6 to 1 underdog and winning once, doesn't mean he's going to be able to do that over time and win money. I guess that type of rationale is why the avg. IQ of 'red' states is something like 20 pts. lower than the avg. IQ of 'blue' states. I wish I could find that graph, i'm sure a lot of you have seen it, from the 04 election.
puhleese. They did an IQ test for all the states????? Might want to think about the logistics of that one. That's alot of number 2 pencils.And I do believe that I am subject to hearing how Katrina, Tornados, etc etc etc are results of global warming, so why can't an all time record low be used against that argument. Although I agree that it isn't, but the point of having isolated incedents to prove a point, also must allow isolated incedents to disprove the same point. I know ISAspelling
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 05:55 PM

View PostAll_In, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 3:53 PM, said:

no, people who deny that global warming is a real threat and man-made ARE idiots.the facts are out there, u people just choose to ignore it, and get your understanding of science from a conservative commentator.there are currently ZERO peer-reviewed, scientific papers out there that claim global warming is not a threat. ZERO. hmmm, where are you getting your 'info' from?
Well this idiot is driving an SUV and comes from a state that has a higher GNP than your whole pathetic whiney country. When you quit living in our shadows like snot nosed little children, then you can come to the table and talk with the grownups. Until then keep your opinion amongst yourselves during recess and don't try to equate yourself with your betters.Oh and turn off your light bulbs and sit in the dark, I will be needing the extra energy for my 3rd house. BTW, when the world does get destroyed, will the good earth conscience people die last? My next house is on a hill about 500 feet above the valley floor, I guess I'll get about a week extra time than the poor slobs on the bottom.Global warming is not a threat, it's a cult.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 05:58 PM

View PostAll_In, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 3:49 PM, said:

then u r a fool who has been played by his government.yeah...lol, scared of the big bad terrorists, hahaha..u people are so ignorant.
Yea, we all know that they will never do anything bad to anyone.Bummer about their names though, terrorist, must be why people don't like them.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 07:14 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 8:50 PM, said:

puhleese. They did an IQ test for all the states????? Might want to think about the logistics of that one. That's alot of number 2 pencils.And I do believe that I am subject to hearing how Katrina, Tornados, etc etc etc are results of global warming, so why can't an all time record low be used against that argument. Although I agree that it isn't, but the point of having isolated incedents to prove a point, also must allow isolated incedents to disprove the same point. I know ISAspelling
More Conservative traits bubbling to the surface. Nowhere did I claim that an IQ test was administered to every voter in the election. It was based on some other data that was already compiled over time prior to the election, I'll dig a little I'm sure I can find it.NO scientific study used Katrina as proof that global warming exists. It's has been claimed to be a RESULT of global warming, but that's a HUGE difference.




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