Hand #1PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [9s], [6s], [2d], [5d]. CO posts a blind of $2. 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Check in the BBFlop: (6 SB) [7h], [9d], [4s] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds.Call the flop with a OESDTurn: (5 BB) [3s] (4 players)Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.Bet the Nut Straight River: (9 BB) [Qh] (4 players)Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.Bet the Nut StraightFinal Pot: 12 BBHand #2PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Jc], [6c], [Ah], [4h]. 3 folds, Hero calls.Call one bet in the BB; double suited albeit with a weak J on the clubs; perhaps a fold was in order?Flop: (6.50 SB) [8c], [Qs], [Jd] (3 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [6d] (2 players)MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [7c] (2 players)MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 9.25 BBHand #3PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Qs], [4d], [7d], [Ah]. 3 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.One limper, decided to see the flop - fold?Flop: (3 SB) [8h], [Ac], [Tc] (3 players)Hero bets, BB folds, Button folds.Bet out to see where I amFinal Pot: 2 BBHand #4PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [9c], [3c], [3s], [Qc]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Complete in the SB with five limpers in front of meFlop: (7 SB) [Jc], [Tc], [6h] (7 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, CO calls.Open ended Straight Flush Draw; call the bet from the button; should I have raised to potentially isolate the button?Turn: (5.50 BB) [8d] (4 players)Hero bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.Turn brings the nut straight - I bet outRiver: (21.50 BB) [Ac] (4 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.Turned into a big chicken - I have the 2nd nut flush. Missed a bet and then when give the opportunity to check/raise, I just called - I was thinking about the low on the board but still...ugh..Final Pot: 24.50 BBHand #5PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with [5d], [4s], [2d], [3s]. UTG calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.Four to a wheel - I raise in the COFlop: (9 SB) [Qc], [Jh], [6s] (4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.I bet out; call a raise from the SBTurn: (7.50 BB) [7c] (3 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.Call with a OESD although one side is the idiot end and a weak low draw (no A)River: (10.50 BB) [9s] (3 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.Miss the high - no lowFinal Pot: 12.50 BBHand #6PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [Jh], [Qs], [7d]. 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Call on the buttonFlop: (4 SB) [3d], [Jd], [Kd] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 folds.Flopped the nut flush; bet outTurn: (3 BB) [2d] (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.BetRiver: (5 BB) [Ac] (2 players)BB bets, BB calls $3 (All-In).BB made his low; I cap it for grins with the nut high flushFinal Pot: 12.75 BBHand #7PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Ks], [5c], [3s], [Ts]. 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.I complete in the SBFlop: (5 SB) [9d], [5d], [5s] (5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $2 (All-In), MP1 calls.I check raise with tripsTurn: (5.50 BB) [4s] (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero bets, MP1 calls.BetRiver: (7.50 BB) [Tc] (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero bets, MP1 folds.Full house comes on the river - betFinal Pot: 8.50 BBHand #8PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [2c], [6c], [5c], [6s]. 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.I call - why? Seemed like a good idea at the time...now not so good; lucky that no one raised.Flop: (4 SB) [7c], [6h], [7s] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.flop a full house; I bet out with most likely the best handTurn: (4 BB) [9h] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.BB check raises me; does he have a pair of 9's in his hand or did he hit his straight? I just call; should I have raised?River: (12 BB) [9d] (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, CO folds, SB folds.Hmm. if he has 9's, he now has quads. I just call, should I have raised here as well?Final Pot: 14 BB
some omaha 8 hands - comments please
Started by gobears, Apr 06 2005 10:02 PM
5 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 06 April 2005 - 10:02 PM
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#2
Posted 06 April 2005 - 10:47 PM
I'd say about 90% of those hands you shouldn't have been in the first place and got STUPID lucky to catch the cards you did.First hand is fine.You checked flop came down favorable and you take down the high with the straight. Possibly the low as well.2nd hand was a folding hand. You are double suited but the J high flush in clubs wouldnt' be something I would be hoping for. You also have the 3rd worst low draw. I would have folded the hand preflop.3rd hand you are just completing so I see no fault in that especially with just 3 in the hand. Flop comes down somewhat in your favor and you bet it and get folds...not to bad but if someone raised you there I would have been really cautious after that.The 9 3 3 Q hand...what in the world were you thinking. There are 3 limpers ahead of you, you have no low hand and you have pocket 3's...This is probably the luckiest hand that you caught. If it weren't for the low on the board I would have said jam the river but more often then not you are splitting this pot.4 to the wheel was a good raise, on the flop though don't bet that. You need runner runner low just to hit the low and it might not even be the nuts. I would have checked the flop and called one bet. Did what you did on the turn and then folded the river. Cost yourself an extra bet on that hand.Hand 6, umm...why cap that. It's almost obvious he has low in the hand why add to the rake.Hand 7 I probably would have just folded preflop. Again got very lucky to hit trips. Rest of the play is fine although with two diamonds I wouldn't have slow played that.Hand 8...not sure what you were thinking. Your club draw is nonexistent even if you hit it would you play it hard. You have 3 low cards but by no means are anything near a low hand you would want to play. Again you got so lucky on the flop, but even then you don't have the nuts. You pretty much have to just call down to the river because of the cards that have fallen. You have a full house but again it is not the nuts.Your play reminds me of the play I play at the .01/.02 PL tables. Seeing cheap flops and hoping to hit big hands because no one will fold and they will chase losing hands.If you are playing this way at 2/4 limit you are going to go broke playing junky cards preflop. More often then not these hands that you played are going to be folding hands and you won't catch cards like you happened to in this session. I would re-evaluate starting hand requirements or you might end up losing a lot of money.
#3
Posted 07 April 2005 - 12:45 AM
hand #5 is the only thing that disturbs me. I don't think that's a raising hand pre-flop at all. you have 4 wheel cards yeah, but any low draw where there isnt an ace on board makes your low draw look bad. Why did you bet at this flop? you have absolutely nothing. at all. check/fold that. the worst you could've done is bet that flop then call the raise (aside from 3-betting it). Don't try to get too tricky in Omaha, especially hi/lo (if thats what you were trying to do). in my experience unless you're at a table of good players, people will be chasing almost anything and bluffs almost never work. The rest of it looked fine to me (although on a side note, don't think you have to defend your small blind with anything just because you're small blind. you can end up getting yourself into bad situations you could've avoided in the first place)..everything looked good except that one hand. It's ok though, we all have those kinda hands...
#4
Posted 07 April 2005 - 09:32 AM
gobears said:
Hand #1PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [9s], [6s], [2d], [5d]. CO posts a blind of $2. 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Check in the BBFlop: (6 SB) [7h], [9d], [4s] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds.Call the flop with a OESDTurn: (5 BB) [3s] (4 players)Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.Bet the Nut Straight River: (9 BB) [Qh] (4 players)Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.Bet the Nut StraightFinal Pot: 12 BB
gobears said:
Hand #2PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Jc], [6c], [Ah], [4h]. 3 folds, Hero calls.Call one bet in the BB; double suited albeit with a weak J on the clubs; perhaps a fold was in order?Flop: (6.50 SB) [8c], [Qs], [Jd] (3 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [6d] (2 players)MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [7c] (2 players)MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 9.25 BB
gobears said:
Hand #3PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Qs], [4d], [7d], [Ah]. 3 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.One limper, decided to see the flop - fold?Flop: (3 SB) [8h], [Ac], [Tc] (3 players)Hero bets, BB folds, Button folds.Bet out to see where I amFinal Pot: 2 BB
gobears said:
Hand #4PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [9c], [3c], [3s], [Qc]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Complete in the SB with five limpers in front of meFlop: (7 SB) [Jc], [Tc], [6h] (7 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, CO calls.Open ended Straight Flush Draw; call the bet from the button; should I have raised to potentially isolate the button?Turn: (5.50 BB) [8d] (4 players)Hero bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.Turn brings the nut straight - I bet outRiver: (21.50 BB) [Ac] (4 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.Turned into a big chicken - I have the 2nd nut flush. Missed a bet and then when give the opportunity to check/raise, I just called - I was thinking about the low on the board but still...ugh..Final Pot: 24.50 BB
gobears said:
Hand #5PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with [5d], [4s], [2d], [3s]. UTG calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.Four to a wheel - I raise in the COFlop: (9 SB) [Qc], [Jh], [6s] (4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.I bet out; call a raise from the SBTurn: (7.50 BB) [7c] (3 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.Call with a OESD although one side is the idiot end and a weak low draw (no A)River: (10.50 BB) [9s] (3 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.Miss the high - no lowFinal Pot: 12.50 BB
gobears said:
Hand #6PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [Jh], [Qs], [7d]. 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Call on the buttonFlop: (4 SB) [3d], [Jd], [Kd] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 folds.Flopped the nut flush; bet outTurn: (3 BB) [2d] (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.BetRiver: (5 BB) [Ac] (2 players)BB bets, BB calls $3 (All-In).BB made his low; I cap it for grins with the nut high flushFinal Pot: 12.75 BB
gobears said:
Hand #7PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Ks], [5c], [3s], [Ts]. 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.I complete in the SBFlop: (5 SB) [9d], [5d], [5s] (5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $2 (All-In), MP1 calls.I check raise with tripsTurn: (5.50 BB) [4s] (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero bets, MP1 calls.BetRiver: (7.50 BB) [Tc] (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero bets, MP1 folds.Full house comes on the river - betFinal Pot: 8.50 BB
gobears said:
Hand #8PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [2c], [6c], [5c], [6s]. 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.I call - why? Seemed like a good idea at the time...now not so good; lucky that no one raised.Flop: (4 SB) [7c], [6h], [7s] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.flop a full house; I bet out with most likely the best handTurn: (4 BB) [9h] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.BB check raises me; does he have a pair of 9's in his hand or did he hit his straight? I just call; should I have raised?River: (12 BB) [9d] (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, CO folds, SB folds.Hmm. if he has 9's, he now has quads. I just call, should I have raised here as well?Final Pot: 14 BB
#5
Posted 07 April 2005 - 10:31 AM
Okay, I haven't looked at others' thoughts on this before giving mine. I'm trying to improve my O8 play as well, so this should be good exercise. By thoughts are after each hand.PF Check is fine.I wouldn't necessarily call that post flop; you have an OESD, but one of the cards would complete a higher straight for JTXX.Turn and river are fine.Yeah, I'd probably just fold that to a raise preflop. Lots of possibilities, but almost none of them to the nuts barring a dream flop.See above, though being in the small blind here I can see the case for a complete. Not sure I like the bet with just top pair, though with only three people in the pot I can see your line of reasoning.Pre-flop is fine.Flop is fine; While you have the OESFD, if an underclub that isn't the 8c comes, you'll be in a tough spot.Turn is fine.River is also fine; if you raise here, you might get 3-bet by lord knows what (It could be the nut flush, someone making the fish mistake of orgasming over a made low, or worse-case, both). If it makes you feel better, I actually FOLDED the second-nut flush in that situation yesterday in a face of a raise and 3-bet. Suffice to say I felt stupid afterward.Pre-flop raise is good.Post-flop: Gah! What're you doing?! You fired at it once and got raised, which should tell you you're going to need to runner-runner the straight to win this. Granting, you have a lot of outs, but even some of those are cut into once the second club turns. You finally folded after missing everything, but I would probably have just dropped this on the flop.Fine. While the river play has little value if you think he made the low, you did state you were doing it more for comedy than anything else.Not exactly sure what you were hoping to hit on the flop--you have almost no nut possibilities here. Yeah, you flopped trips, but did YOU even know what you were looking for here?I might've just bet the flop; no one respects a bet in this game (That and I despise slowplaying in general).Turn and river are fine.See the above hand for my pre-flop thoughts. Again, barring a flop of A34 (Or what you hit), I'm not sure what you're going for here.Flop bet is fine.You played the turn fine, too, not knowing if he hit the straight or had pocket nines. I suppose he COULD also be betting turned two-pair here (Which is important for the river), or he might've held on with 79XX which is now also full.I like the call on the river as well. Obviously, if he was betting pocket nines (Or 97) then he's still ahead, and if he was betting the straight then you've won. BUT, if he was betting 96 for whatever reason (Admittedly unlikely unless it was 976X where you were behind anyway), he just rivered you.Okay, there's my thoughts, going to read more opinions now.
gobears said:
Hand #1PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [9s], [6s], [2d], [5d]. CO posts a blind of $2. 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Check in the BBFlop: (6 SB) [7h], [9d], [4s] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds.Call the flop with a OESDTurn: (5 BB) [3s] (4 players)Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.Bet the Nut Straight River: (9 BB) [Qh] (4 players)Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.Bet the Nut StraightFinal Pot: 12 BB
gobears said:
Hand #2PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Jc], [6c], [Ah], [4h]. 3 folds, Hero calls.Call one bet in the BB; double suited albeit with a weak J on the clubs; perhaps a fold was in order?Flop: (6.50 SB) [8c], [Qs], [Jd] (3 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [6d] (2 players)MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [7c] (2 players)MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 9.25 BB
GoBears said:
Hand #3PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Qs], [4d], [7d], [Ah]. 3 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.One limper, decided to see the flop - fold?Flop: (3 SB) [8h], [Ac], [Tc] (3 players)Hero bets, BB folds, Button folds.Bet out to see where I amFinal Pot: 2 BB
gobears said:
Hand #4PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [9c], [3c], [3s], [Qc]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Complete in the SB with five limpers in front of meFlop: (7 SB) [Jc], [Tc], [6h] (7 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, CO calls.Open ended Straight Flush Draw; call the bet from the button; should I have raised to potentially isolate the button?Turn: (5.50 BB) [8d] (4 players)Hero bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.Turn brings the nut straight - I bet outRiver: (21.50 BB) [Ac] (4 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.Turned into a big chicken - I have the 2nd nut flush. Missed a bet and then when give the opportunity to check/raise, I just called - I was thinking about the low on the board but still...ugh..Final Pot: 24.50 BB
gobears said:
Hand #5PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with [5d], [4s], [2d], [3s]. UTG calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.Four to a wheel - I raise in the COFlop: (9 SB) [Qc], [Jh], [6s] (4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.I bet out; call a raise from the SBTurn: (7.50 BB) [7c] (3 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.Call with a OESD although one side is the idiot end and a weak low draw (no A)River: (10.50 BB) [9s] (3 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.Miss the high - no lowFinal Pot: 12.50 BB
gobears said:
Hand #6PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [Jh], [Qs], [7d]. 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Call on the buttonFlop: (4 SB) [3d], [Jd], [Kd] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 folds.Flopped the nut flush; bet outTurn: (3 BB) [2d] (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.BetRiver: (5 BB) [Ac] (2 players)BB bets, BB calls $3 (All-In).BB made his low; I cap it for grins with the nut high flushFinal Pot: 12.75 BB
gobears said:
Hand #7PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Ks], [5c], [3s], [Ts]. 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.I complete in the SBFlop: (5 SB) [9d], [5d], [5s] (5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $2 (All-In), MP1 calls.I check raise with tripsTurn: (5.50 BB) [4s] (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero bets, MP1 calls.BetRiver: (7.50 BB) [Tc] (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero bets, MP1 folds.Full house comes on the river - betFinal Pot: 8.50 BB
gobears said:
Hand #8PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [2c], [6c], [5c], [6s]. 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.I call - why? Seemed like a good idea at the time...now not so good; lucky that no one raised.Flop: (4 SB) [7c], [6h], [7s] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.flop a full house; I bet out with most likely the best handTurn: (4 BB) [9h] (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.BB check raises me; does he have a pair of 9's in his hand or did he hit his straight? I just call; should I have raised?River: (12 BB) [9d] (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, CO folds, SB folds.Hmm. if he has 9's, he now has quads. I just call, should I have raised here as well?Final Pot: 14 BB
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#6
Posted 07 April 2005 - 11:56 AM
I appreciate the criticism; I saw the flop about 40% of the time in the session which is way too high.I have read Aseem's two-parter on how to play Omaha 8 and Baldwin's section in SS2. So, I started out with those pre-flop guidelines in my head but noticed quickly after the first round that two of the players at the table were raising with garbage and playing to the end with said garbage. The guy to my right once raised and called down with high pair and no low for example on one hand.So, I obviously loosened up way too much and ended up getting a bunch of lucky flops which saved me.How would you change your play to take advantage of this table situation?
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