Jordan, on Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 9:18 PM, said:
well in your specific hand i dont see why he can't be shoving Kx for value unless he knows that you're never betting KT or w/e tight range he is assigning you...idk, even i were you i wouldn't really want to fold unless this guy knew you really well and never thinks youre bluffing there, or never bet/folding your value range. meaning he always expects you to call so your betting range is actually that narrow to Kx's and small boats.so that's the only way i'd ever fold if i were you in that spot. i think Kx can shove there for value if he thinks he has induced, or you were vbetting JJ+ or something on the riv, which to me doesn't seem bad at all.
I think this might be where HU, 6m is vastly different. Going for 3 streets of value on that board with AA, QQ against an ultra nit I think is actually pretty bad. I mean, HU, it might be fine but I don't think there are a lot of 6m players not checking the turn or the river here with AA for example. I guess occasionally I could be triple barreling this board (although I would never do it against this type of Villain) but he is only shoving against my value range. And my value range on that board has KQ crushed (and other than occasionally AK that is the only Kx non boat hand possibly in his range). Which is why I don't think he is (and definitely should not be) shoving KQ. He gets me to fold my air and everything he beats and gets called by ONLY things he loses to. So shoving KQ seems pretty bad to me. I'm never betting KT on the river cause his hand looks so much like KQ.Edit: FWIW, KT isn't in my range either. So if he is valueshoving KQ he is valueshoving against exactly 0 Kings in my range other than a chop.