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#33341 gilbertology

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 08:49 AM

I'm about to purchase PT3-any reason why I shouldn't do this? I thought PokerEV was coming out soon but I don't know if it has a firm release date.I got a new desktop almost a week ago that's super sweet and hooked up dual 24' monitors so I can play more tables/watch more porn etc.http://www.microcent...duct_id=0291281My new monitor is much brighter than my old one, I don't really care tho.http://www.microcent...duct_id=0291723I've been playing short cash game sessions and tourneys this past week without a HUD and sometimes I wish I had numbers on ppl.While I'm asking questions what are some good recent CardRunners vids to watch? They can be any game, I just want to be amused. I've had CR for almost two years and have watched like 1 video a month. I def squeeze max value out of my subscription.Edit: Simo I will pay for your ticket if you fly out here and make my computer setup awesome for the pokers
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 08:54 AM

View Postgilbertology, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 5:49 PM, said:

I'm about to purchase PT3-any reason why I shouldn't do this? I thought PokerEV was coming out soon but I don't know if it has a firm release date.I got a new desktop almost a week ago that's super sweet and hooked up dual 24' monitors so I can play more tables/watch more porn etc.http://www.microcent...duct_id=0291281My new monitor is much brighter than my old one, I don't really care tho.I've been playing short cash game sessions and tourneys this past week without a HUD and sometimes I wish I had numbers on ppl.While I'm asking questions what are some good recent CardRunners vids to watch? They can be any game, I just want to be amused. I've had CR for almost two years and have watched like 1 video a month. I def squeeze max value out of my subscription.
Holdem Manager is better than PT3 (PT3 still has a lot of bugs and performance issues, and still lacks any luck stats). PokerEV will almost certainly blow both of them away.PokerEV *should* (I hope) be out by the end of the month.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 08:58 AM

View PostTremomey, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

What you guys think best line is here on the flop. This guy was super passive post and this is the first time he raised me postflop in 125 hands. He always check called with any pair including tptk and he also 3bet a decent amount so I would think AK and AQ prob 3bet pre but he has flatted with AJ. I think its better for me to flat here rather than 3bet because his hand range is really narrowed to A4, 44 or air.. im never folding but I figure I should let him bet his air again on the turn. FWIW I started out cbetting like 100% but he wasn't ever folding so I started checking back a lot of air. Thoughts?Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (BTN/SB): $600.00BB: $305.25Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with 4 :ts K :4hHero raises to $12, BB calls $8Flop: ($24.00) A :D 4 :D K :club: (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB raises to $57, Hero ?
Yeh it seems like he can only have A4, 44, an overplayed Ax, or air here so I'd just call flop, and call turn if he leads else bet.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:02 AM

View Postsimo_8ball, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Holdem Manager is better than PT3 (PT3 still has a lot of bugs and performance issues, and still lacks any luck stats). PokerEV will almost certainly blow both of them away.PokerEV *should* (I hope) be out by the end of the month.
I think I need to get PT3 now just to have a hud but if PokerEV looks good when it comes out I might get that and return my PT3. I hope they let me do that.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:05 AM

Sorry not converted, still playingFull Tilt Poker Game #7328603207: Table Everly (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:02:20 ET - 2008/07/22Seat 1: sned1don ($10.60)Seat 2: GiggidyFT ($10)Seat 4: Denis Mc Donald ($13.40)Seat 5: chibburashka ($13.05)Seat 6: artyswiss ($6)Denis Mc Donald posts the small blind of $0.05chibburashka posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GiggidyFT [Qs Qc]artyswiss raises to $0.35sned1don foldsGiggidyFT raises to $0.60Denis Mc Donald foldschibburashka foldsartyswiss calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [7h Th 2h]artyswiss bets $1.35GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actaquiGool sits downaquiGool adds $10Denis Mc Donald is sitting outGiggidyFT calls $1.35*** TURN *** [7h Th 2h] [Kd]artyswiss has 15 seconds left to actartyswiss bets $1GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actGiggidyFT adds $1.95aquiGool stands upGiggidyFT foldsUncalled bet of $1 returned to artyswissartyswiss mucksartyswiss wins the pot ($3.65)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.05 | Rake $0.40Board: [7h Th 2h Kd]Seat 1: sned1don didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: GiggidyFT folded on the TurnSeat 4: Denis Mc Donald (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: chibburashka (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: artyswiss collected ($3.65), muckedVillain is 31/12/2 over only 25 handsSmall bet concerned me as did the donk on the floop??
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:06 AM

View PostRhinestoneCowboy, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 9:49 AM, said:

I like it. If you know you aren't letting go, you can call a turn bet or bet back into him if he checks. Not sure what I would do OOP.
I wouldn't have K4o oop :club:

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:17 AM

View PostGiggidy, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Sorry not converted, still playingFull Tilt Poker Game #7328603207: Table Everly (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:02:20 ET - 2008/07/22Seat 1: sned1don ($10.60)Seat 2: GiggidyFT ($10)Seat 4: Denis Mc Donald ($13.40)Seat 5: chibburashka ($13.05)Seat 6: artyswiss ($6)Denis Mc Donald posts the small blind of $0.05chibburashka posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GiggidyFT [Qs Qc]artyswiss raises to $0.35sned1don foldsGiggidyFT raises to $0.60Denis Mc Donald foldschibburashka foldsartyswiss calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [7h Th 2h]artyswiss bets $1.35GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actaquiGool sits downaquiGool adds $10Denis Mc Donald is sitting outGiggidyFT calls $1.35*** TURN *** [7h Th 2h] [Kd]artyswiss has 15 seconds left to actartyswiss bets $1GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actGiggidyFT adds $1.95aquiGool stands upGiggidyFT foldsUncalled bet of $1 returned to artyswissartyswiss mucksartyswiss wins the pot ($3.65)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.05 | Rake $0.40Board: [7h Th 2h Kd]Seat 1: sned1don didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: GiggidyFT folded on the TurnSeat 4: Denis Mc Donald (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: chibburashka (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: artyswiss collected ($3.65), muckedVillain is 31/12/2 over only 25 handsSmall bet concerned me as did the donk on the floop??
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:24 AM

View Postgilbertology, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 1:02 PM, said:

I think I need to get PT3 now just to have a hud but if PokerEV looks good when it comes out I might get that and return my PT3. I hope they let me do that.
HEM offers a trial period. I think it's something like 2.5K hands which may do you for a little while if you're not doing a lot of volume. I had PT2 & GT+ and have been trying out HEM and like it fairly well so far. Mostly for the things that all the next gen trackers have like 3-bet/fold to 3-bet kind of stats.I like the way filtering works in PEV much better than the way it works in HEM. Also HEM doesn't do "sklansky bucks" calculations on all showdown hands but only all-in hands which seems kinda lame to me. Assuming the PEV has all the basic functions of HEM I think it's going to be the clear winner. Right now I'd likely chose HEM over PT3 just because from what I've heard PT3 still isn't totally stable.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:25 AM

View PostNaismith, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 2:04 AM, said:

For more fun showdown graphs. My database is from March, just before I went on a month-long road trip. It's missing a ton of hands played on Java. I don't quite lose money in showdown hands, but I'm not exactly making bank.Posted ImageAlso, Acid and I have the same phenomenon where we're running bad (or in his case, slightly above expectation) overall, but running really, really well in All In EV. Anyone have any idea why that might be the case?
Wow... Here is my HU graph since I started playing. Completely opposite.Posted Image
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:31 AM

View PostTremomey, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 12:06 PM, said:

I wouldn't have K4o oop :club:
HU is a beast I know nothing about... Figured anyone could have anything in that satan's spawn of a game.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:34 AM

View PostSuited_Up, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 12:25 PM, said:

Wow... Here is my HU graph since I started playing. Completely opposite.
Take a shot around 2550 or were you just deeeeep?edit: nevermind, looks like you are playing 100 or 200.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:35 AM

View PostSuited_Up, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:25 AM, said:

Wow... Here is my HU graph since I started playing. Completely opposite.Posted Image
You need to be more aggressive. If you're a good HU player, it should be pretty easy to win pots without going to showdown. I guess this graph resembles Cwik's graph though.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:36 AM

View PostRhinestoneCowboy, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 12:31 PM, said:

HU is a beast I know nothing about... Figured anyone could have anything in that satan's spawn of a game.
LOL... Went to $100nl and lost 3 buyins in 20 hands. (Literally 20 hands.)Got it back by the end of the night, but man that sucked. Straight over straight type shit, and QQ < 99 I think. Stuff like that.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:38 AM

View Postrdtedm, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 6:17 PM, said:

[ ] Min-3betting preflop is sometimes a good idea.
Bah, i didn't notice that, must've been a misclick :club:
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:40 AM

View PostAcid_Knight, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 1:35 PM, said:

You need to be more aggressive. If you're a good HU player, it should be pretty easy to win pots without going to showdown. I guess this graph resembles Cwik's graph though.
LOL
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:40 AM

This post was unnecessary.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:43 AM

View PostSuited_Up, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 1:25 PM, said:

Wow... Here is my HU graph since I started playing. Completely opposite.Posted Image
I don't know how anyone wins money at showdown and still is a winning player at HU. LOL.Congrats on the winning, though. I think your BB/100 is much higher than Acid's and he's trying to give you advice. :club:
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:45 AM

View PostNaismith, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

LOL

View PostNaismith, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

LOL
That looks like a knock on Cwik, but it's not really intended to be. He actually makes money in non-SD pots, but nothing like Naismith or I do. I guess the important thing is finding a style that you're comfortable with that wins and shows consistent results. I am just under the general impression that I'm able to win more effectively and more consistently long term because the gap between my green line and my blue line means that I never have to make a hand or have anything and I'm gonna win money. If you're not making money in non-SD pots, it means that you need to manage the pots where you make hands VERY effectively and make sure you're making a ton of money there.I mean, what if you never made a strong enough hand to win at showdown? How would you win?

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:47 AM

View PostNaismith, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:43 AM, said:

I don't know how anyone wins money at showdown and still is a winning player at HU. LOL.Congrats on the winning, though. I think your BB/100 is much higher than Acid's and he's trying to give you advice. :club:
My average is 8-9PTBB/100 spread over all limits over 120k hands. If we wanna get picky, I think in April I ran at like 35ptbb/100 over 6k+ hands at 1/2 or 2/4, I can't remember which. This month I'm running at 18PTBB/100 at 2/4 over 5k hands.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:50 AM

View PostAcid_Knight, on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 1:45 PM, said:

That looks like a knock on Cwik, but it's not really intended to be. He actually makes money in non-SD pots, but nothing like Naismith or I do. I guess the important thing is finding a style that you're comfortable with that wins and shows consistent results. I am just under the general impression that I'm able to win more effectively and more consistently long term because the gap between my green line and my blue line means that I never have to make a hand or have anything and I'm gonna win money. If you're not making money in non-SD pots, it means that you need to manage the pots where you make hands VERY effectively and make sure you're making a ton of money there.I mean, what if you never made a strong enough hand to win at showdown? How would you win?
I know it wasn't a shot at Cwik. Wink wink.I prefer the limp blue line because it means I don't have to make hands, which is something I'm good at not doing. Also, I would imagine Cwik and Kurt are much better than I am at the bolded part. However, when you're stealing so often, the only pot manipulation you really need is to continuously put more money in there like you would with no hand, right?
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