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[DwayneWayne]

Live 1-2NL. I have around $205 in front of me, I’ve been at the table for around 10-15mins. My read on the opponent in this particular hand is to be a solid and aggressive player. Any advice, comments, or flaming would be appreciated. If you have an alternative play for any street by all means let me know....I’m in the BB with KsKd5 Limpers to me. I make it $15 to go.EP limper calls. MP Limper Calls. SB Calls. SB has me covered.Flop: Jd6s3sSB Checks, I bet $30. EPL folds. MPL folds. SB Calls.Turn: 9sSB Checks, I check.River: 10cSB bets out $50. I call.Good, bad, or ugly?

[AK33]

The only thing I would change is the bet on the flop, I'd bet the pot. Some guys will draw at the flush only for a cheap price, others will draw for almost any price but if they are going to draw you better make them pay for it. Other than that, the check on the turn is smart and I'd have to call the river.

[benhoug]

I don't hate the call on the end, though you may be beat, you probably have to call. I'm guessing the guy either has JJ, QQ or AA. Two of the three and you're crushed. What I don't like is the raise to $15 pre-flop. If the BB is $2, you're raising 7.5 BBs, which I think is waaaaaaay too much. Now I don't know how the flow of the game was going, maybe this was a normal bring-in raise, but generally I don't like to raise that much. A raise of 4xBB would probably get the job done. My thinking is this - by raising that much you're defining you hand, saying basically I've got Aces, Kings, Queens or AK. You can't like it when you get a caller in this spot and you've got kings, 'cause likely the only people who can call here have you beat. Sure you might get the guy w/ QQ to come along for the ride, but more than likely he's got AA and you're beat.

[DwayneWayne]

10-15 is the normal bring in the game. I agree is does help the table define my hand which should have played a factor in my call at the end but with 5 Limpers I"m trying to thin the field. 4 players called the $15, $8 would have been the same as limping with how the game was playing...Plus with 5 Limpers there is already $10 in the pot......

[Rocketwadster]

I agree with your pre-flop raise. Why risk getting sucked out cheaply? Make them pay to chase, which you did (and they did - as you had 4 callers). That many callers with the raise you did scares me, not for that particular hand but for the way the table is playing. I don't have the testicular fortitude to deal with such a (seemingly from what I have seen) loose playing table. I would have put in a larger bet after the flop (closer to pot sized), to make it clear to the table that you have the goods. Anyone wants to try to catch a flush or straight, they have to pay the piper. Your bet allowed someone to possibly make a big hand fairly cheap, based on the current size of the pot. If your beat after the flop, that happens, but I don't think you were at that time. I'm putting the small blind on king queen, with the queen being the queen of spades.

[DwayneWayne]

He turned over Js5sFrustrating night....wanted to lay down on the river but could pull the trigger.....Bigger Flop bet is def a must after looking back. No auto bet button in live play.....f me.

[Rocketwadster]

DwayneWayne said:

He turned over Js5sFrustrating night....wanted to lay down on the river but could pull the trigger.....Bigger Flop bet is def a must after looking back. No auto bet button in live play.....f me.

I know the feeling, believe me. He limped in and called your raise pre-flop with Jack 5 suited. As I indicated, your only way to have won against a guy like that would have been to scare him out after the flop with a larger bet, but a guy like this most likely would have called regardless. Maybe you saved yourself some money? :wink:

[Erudis]

depends on the game but here are two common ways to play it (there are other ways of course):1) lead out on the flop with a bet larger than the pot (80 or 90ish)2) value bet on the flop (40 or 50) and see what the turn brings with the purposes of shutting it down at the turn if you think you're still ahead or be willing to fold if you think you are now behind.at the river i think you're probably beat and i'd probably lay it down... but it's not a terrible call ($174 in the pot, 50 to call; he was giving you pretty good odds to call, although, that usually means you're beat and he knows it); you played the hand more like the number 2 option above and probably should have followed it out with the lay down.the 15 dollar raise preflop is fine; i think the bet on the flop was too light even for a value bet.