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[kkcountry]

reads: nothing statistically significant on UTG, CO seems to be a calling stationLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $3/$65 playersConverterPre-flop: (5 players) kkcountry is BB with 8 6 UTG raises, CO calls, 2 folds, kkcountry calls. (spew obv)Flop: 7 3 5 (6.67SB, 3 players)kkcountry bets, UTG raises, CO calls, kkcountry calls.Turn: 9 (6.33BB, 3 players)kkcountry bets, UTG raises, CO calls, kkcountry 3-bets, UTG calls, CO calls.i like my donkbet on the flop as it disguises my hand and looks like i'm betting to see if my top pair is good, which shouldn't worry UTG if he's got an overpair, and it lets me get in 3 bets on the turn as it looks like i'm trying to find out if my top pair is really not good, i have no idea what CO is doing, i think he has spades? also, i'm not too worried about a set as i'm 99% sure it gets capped here if anybody's holding a setRiver: 5 (15.33BB, 3 players)kkcountry bets, UTG calls, CO calls.Results:Final pot: 18.33BBwell, the board paired, backdoor flush came out, but i've got to bet this to get value out of TT+, no? bet/call 1 raise?

[Zach6668]

I don't like the flop bet.You're facing CO with 2 cold if UTG raises, which sucks because you really don't want this to be a heads up pot.If anything, c/r the flop hoping to trap CO if he calls. If CO folds, I just call flop. You should probably just call flop anyways, even if CO does call UTG's flop bet, as our equity isn't huge 3 handed here.Turn obv is good, and river is a standard bet/call.Also, I edited your OP to fix the suit emoticons, you donk.- Zach

[mikeysong]

I don't know what you're afraid of here on the riverI like the flop bet. It gives you a feel for the hand and can significantly help you play your hand better. So when he raises the flop, you can pin him on an overpair most of the time, and you're also disguising your 86 hand. CO looks like he has a pair of 9s or a flush draw (which obv on river seems otherwise).So we've got utg pinned on overpair ya? I would've check-raised the turn, the reason being we can trap CO, as most people won't call 2 cold with top pair bad kicker, so we got lucky!The way you played, honestly, I would've went for a check-raise on the river. UTG has a very strong hand that he's playing aggressively and now that the board has paired, he should feel even more confident especially when you check. I think it gets capped as well on the turn if someone has a set btw.

[kkcountry]

mikeysong, on Friday, February 16th, 2007, 4:46 AM, said:

The way you played, honestly, I would've went for a check-raise on the river. UTG has a very strong hand that he's playing aggressively and now that the board has paired, he should feel even more confident especially when you check.

i thought of this too immediately afterwards, then slapped myself on the wrist for trying to be too fancy. looking back though, my action on the turn makes it possible that i may have turned 2 pair, meaning the board pairing on the river would put TT+ ahead of what i was representing? i wish i would have had more hands under my belt with UTG because checkraising people with high river AF with the near nuts is like my favorite thing, they just can't help themselves from betting

[mikeysong]

against an aggressive villain, check-raising the river imo is PERFECT.I don't think it's too fancy at all. In most situations yes but the way you're playing this hand, ESPECIALLY with the check on the river, you've represented two pair big time.

[CoranMoran]

I dont donk-bet this flop into these 2 opponents.We do not have the odds to bet for value.And the fold equity simply is not there.If it were heads up, then showing aggression on the flop is certainly warranted.If one of our opponents were playing from the Big Blind, then I would even consider pushing the flop.But aganist a raiser and a cold-caller who each obviously likes their hand, I don't think leading into them on the flop is going to accomplish much of anything.

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Turn obv is good.

Turn seems like a clear check-raise.That 9 is not going to scare anybody. And checking allows CO to get caught in the middle.

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and it lets me get in 3 bets on the turn as it looks like i'm trying to find out if my top pair is really not good,

After the 2nd donk-bet, many villanis will slow down.I don't think you can expect to get raised on this turn again a high percentage of the time.Especially since Villain may only be holding overs (AK).He would not raise this turn- but he very possibly would have bet it.Even if you knew that UTG would raise your funky turn bet, it probably would still not be the best play.The most expected scenario:You bet, UTG raises, CO will very likely fold in this spot.Gain = 2 betsHowever, the alternative line likely goes:You check, UTG bets, CO calls, You raise, UTG calls, CO calls.Gain = 4 betsConclusion:Unless you have reason to believe that UTG will check this turn, leading out into him is probably the wrong play.

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against an aggressive villain, check-raising the river imo is PERFECT.I don't think it's too fancy at all. In most situations yes but the way you're playing this hand, ESPECIALLY with the check on the river, you've represented two pair big time

I don't think I've ever shown aggression 3 times... and then slowplayed the river.CO looks like he has been on some kind of draw. Probably a couple of spades?So we can't really be confident he is calling a river bet.And UTG has been slapped in the face 3 times by your bets.Out of shock alone, I think he will often check the river behind you.I bet out.--CM