11 replies to this topic

[bdc30]

Again a hand from early today. Now I open this for a raise, but as played, should I be calling? Getting more money somewhere?


Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $43.30
UTG+1: $4.55
CO: $97.10
Hero: $49.25
SB: $46.15
BB: $10.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q J
3 folds, Hero calls, SB raises to $1, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 6 9 Q ($3, 3 players)
SB bets $2.5, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls.

River: 9 ($16, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $36

[Jordan]

few ways to play this hand. i'll assume i've open limped as well.

the sb raising here is really important. usually from the sb it's a big hand. 99+ AQ/AK and KQ/sometimes KJs since you open limped.

flop I'd raise, to like 7 or 8 and dump to a 3bet. if he calls, he prob has a hand we are losing to, and i'll check the turn...if he has As Ks and isn't three betting that flop, oh well he just got a free card I don't care.

then on the river, if he checks to me again, I'll value bet (most likely)..but if he bets then I would do some math, decide if he is the kinda guy that will bluff OOP or not, and make my play. nothing here can be set in stone.

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other way to play...call flop, raise turn (turn raises usually can be more scary cuz it's the turn) and put him to the test...if he calls, meh...gonna be hard to push him off on the river..but bluffing is part of the game and in this case youve repped (well depending on the turn) but this turn, your repping a str8, or a set...and could get him to lay down.

that's just a few ways Id play it. I personally don't like just calling down..

- Jordan

[jimhoff14]

I think that this hand is played fine given the min raise preflop. I usually will bump this up on the flop and fold to a 3bet. The only thing I am concerned with is the villian showed strength betting hard on all streets. I think villian can have an over pair here as well a bluff. I guess it would be best to raise on the flop to find out where you are rather than calling down. ALso, you should raise preflop rather than limping being that it is 6 max.

jimhoff

[No_Neck]

I would have popped the flop, it is "cheaper" than calling down when you are beat. The only problem is that a lot of calling stations won't three bet you if you raise. It will slow him down though.

[Acid_Knight]

All of the bets look like value bets, which would lead me to believe that you're proobably beaten.

I think that popping the flop is the way to go. Hopefully you slow him down but if he keeps coming at you, it's an easy fold.

As played, you are probably correct in calling on the river. You're just gonna be paying off way more than you'd like.

[bdc30]

Results - Villain shows AK offsuit.

From that result, I think I made about as much as I could have out of this hand.

What do we think of villain's play??

[Whiskey16]

Results - Villain shows AK offsuit.

From that result, I think I made about as much as I could have out of this hand.

What do we think of villain's play??

I think you're lucky you're playing an idiot.

In the long run, I think calling all the way down let's someone know they can value bet us all the way if we're holding top pair witha suspect kicker.

I agree with most that you've got to pop the flop or the turn to find out where you're at. While you made the most money you'd probably have made in this particular hand, I think flat calling this hand all the way down will lose you money more often than not in the long run.

[bdc30]

I think you're lucky you're playing an idiot.

He really was. He tried the EXACT same thing about 5 hands later with AK again. I called him down with second pair I think and took the pot. lol I now have a read on that specific player, but I agree that in the long run, raising to define our hand is the way to go.

[Jordan]

He really was. He tried the EXACT same thing about 5 hands later with AK again. I called him down with second pair I think and took the pot. lol I now have a read on that specific player, but I agree that in the long run, raising to define our hand is the way to go.

well if you have that kinda read on him, and you wanna just call him down cause you know he'll keep bluffing, go for it.

i'd rather raise to define his hand, not ours. hypothetically you could/should raise this flop or turn with air against this kinda guy later on.

- Jordan

[Acid_Knight]

If you KNOW he's bluffing, or have strong reason to believe that, then just calling and letting him bluff at the pot is one thing.

From your OP I gathered that you were kind of in the dark about where you were in the hand and didn't like your hand enough to raise, nor hate it enough to fold. Those are the cases you need to avoid. I think that the truth is that you just had no idea where you were in the hand so you tried to get a showdown as cheaply as possible. The fact that he turned out to be bluffing and that you happened to maximize the value on the hand should not blind you to the fact that you played the hand poorly by calling bets in a spot where you are beaten more often than not.

That's just my two cents.

[bdc30]

The fact that he turned out to be bluffing and that you happened to maximize the value on the hand should not blind you to the fact that you played the hand poorly by calling bets in a spot where you are beaten more often than not.

Absolutely. That's why I posted these hands. This was my first day trying to grind 50nl 6-max, which I've really never played before. Though the "results" worked out well, I had a suspicion that I could have done a better job getting through the hand. I've learned a lot from the replies in all the threads I made, and I really appreciate everyones input.

[Sea Wasp]

If you must play this hand then calling down like you have done is the only way to do it. Raising at any point will ensure that you lose the max when behind and win the minimum when ahead. I hope the preflop limp was a mis click..