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#41 DB10-2

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 10:25 AM

i'm ok with the smaller-than-standard preflop raise in general, but when your stack is this low relative to blinds, let's be a bit more serious. that said, here's the thing about your play: when you do make a wishy-washy raise like that, you're basically hoping for a hand like AQ or AJ to miss the A and/or make TPTK with the Q or J with no draws. think about how rare that is. so, you have to be ready to lay your hand down and not think twice when you encounter resistance on the flop or turn and/or these easy situations don't present themselves. here, your kings were either already drawing dead or you were bluffed successfully. time to jam (and probably lose), or next time, on a stack of around 1300, maybe the baby raise isn't as appropriate in this spot.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 10:57 AM

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:04 AM

View Postpokerkid, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 11:13 AM, said:

HAHAHA. NO.In general, live play is much worse than online play. The WSOP ME has some of the worst play imaginable. Granted in the WPT 10K events the play is better because of the bigger buy-in. But when comparing the same levels, live play is much worse than online play.At this stage, 3-4x BB raise is correct. However, when it gets late in a tournament, and 2.5x raises are 20% of the avg. stacks chips, 2.5x BB raises are golden. If someone is trapping you or pushes on you, you lose less, but the 2.5x raise still has enough fold equity. Against a decent player who thinks about bet sizes and such, it also doesn't look like a steal as much as a 4x raise does.
Why not just limp it in this situation then? Your logic isn't really making sense for this play in this particular situation. With his M so low, he can't afford not to call a pf push and if he were going to get that, he's going to get a caller with a bigger pf raise as well. At least here he would have some idea as to where he stood in the hand. WHile I understand the new online player who only wants to play big pots, the thing I find is they're soft pf and push hard when they hit an hope to double up, not win smaller pots to accumulate. Their downside is they can never get off AA or KK when hands like this happen.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 12:14 PM

I like the way you played the whole hand. I would have done the same on every street. (Muck the turn)I like the 2.5xBB raise in this spot, you're one of the shorter stacks and making it 200 to go would probably just win you the 75 in blinds. That's a waste of a HUGE hand that you may not see for the rest of the tournament. I don't want to get into the whole DN at Foxwoods argument again, but wasting BIG pairs when it's short handed is just stupid. You don't get them often, so when you do get them you should try to maximize your wins (and that doesn't include trying to minimize your loses by "protecting your hand", if you think negativly you will play the hand poorly). I'm not saying limp in and check every street to let someone catch up enough to beat you, but you don't need to throw a rock into the lake when you're just about to hook a big mouth bass...

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:26 PM

View PostSocrates, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 11:04 AM, said:

Why not just limp it in this situation then? Your logic isn't really making sense for this play in this particular situation. With his M so low, he can't afford not to call a pf push and if he were going to get that, he's going to get a caller with a bigger pf raise as well. At least here he would have some idea as to where he stood in the hand. WHile I understand the new online player who only wants to play big pots, the thing I find is they're soft pf and push hard when they hit an hope to double up, not win smaller pots to accumulate. Their downside is they can never get off AA or KK when hands like this happen.
What?Why not limp in which situation?
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:28 PM

I'm still wondering what you guys put the villain on. His play doesn't add up. It's a very unorthodox play. What's his range guys?

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:32 PM

View Postcubbybri, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 3:07 PM, said:

I think the flop bet too much as well, BUT if you are some who consistently bets half the pot I guess it's not as bad a play. I rarely think there is a reason to make a pot bet so that is my reason for disliking. If you always make the pot bets I guess it will keep them guessing.In any case, Copernicus is right, you are beat or villain is a dingle nut.
Villain is a 'dingle nut'. He has an ROI of -19%. Shouldn't that affect our decision?

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:35 PM

lol @ people getting upset over the 2.5xbb raise.lol cantplaypostflopaments- Jordan

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:35 PM

View PostGABMAD, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 2:28 PM, said:

I'm still wondering what you guys put the villain on. His play doesn't add up. It's a very unorthodox play. What's his range guys?
You already had him putting you AQ so what did you put him on? I think since you put him on putting you on a hand like AQ you've gotta feel like he has at least two pair here. I think A9 is a solid choice, or any other A with his kicker hitting the board. I don't mind your preflop bet at all but against this board there is so much that has you beat that would call you pre flop ie: Suited connectors, gappers 9-7 etc.
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:37 PM

View PostMoTownJ5, on Monday, February 12th, 2007, 5:46 PM, said:

Possibly the easiest fold ever?
Yes. Without a doubt, this is the easiest fold ever.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:46 PM

View PostGABMAD, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 2:32 PM, said:

Villain is a 'dingle nut'. He has an ROI of -19%. Shouldn't that affect our decision?
Not on this board. What hand can you put villain on here that you are ahead of?

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 02:52 PM

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Think about it. If you're villain you have to put me on a hand like AQ imo.
He could have a lot of things, and most of them beat you given the information you have.But obviously you were right, or you wouldnt have posted it.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:11 PM

View PostGABMAD, on Wednesday, February 14th, 2007, 3:32 AM, said:

Villain is a 'dingle nut'. He has an ROI of -19%. Shouldn't that affect our decision?
Maybe a bit but most 'dingle nuts', like their aces so I still don't like my chances in this particular situation.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:18 PM

Routine fold here.--cm

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:37 PM

Please post in Strat so Zach can properly criticize you.
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 04:51 PM

I haven't read anything other than the title.The answer is NO.What was the question?
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 05:17 PM

View PostMerby, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 4:51 PM, said:

I haven't read anything other than the title.The answer is NO.What was the question?
nice answer Merby, how's the Rock?
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 08:47 PM

View PostGABMAD, on Monday, February 12th, 2007, 8:24 PM, said:

Ya. And you've seen me play? Or you automatically assume everyone is a donkey? How about you look up ppl on sharkscope before calling them donks? Or are stats overrated and you need a title before you can be considred good? So that means, because I'm 18 I have no way of being considered good as I'm not old enough to play live. Geez....some people are so ignorant
So you're saying that you are as good as DN? Because all the OP said was "You're not as good as DN post-flop." There's plenty of room between DN and donk status. You're not beating anything on a fairly coordinated board. I think it's a fairly easy fold.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 08:50 PM

View PostSpiderGuard, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 8:47 PM, said:

So you're saying that you are as good as DN? Because all the OP said was "You're not as good as DN post-flop." There's plenty of room between DN and donk status. You're not beating anything on a fairly coordinated board. I think it's a fairly easy fold.
He got us all to reply to his post, didn't he?
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 08:55 PM

personally i think kk is good here. good chance at least.
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