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[AK33]

You have 22 in the CO, one player limps in front of you in middle position(new player, no read). You decide to call the BB, Button(tight, agressive) also calls. The flop comes down:2 3 A MP checks, you bet the pot, both players call (much to your surprise). Turn is: 9 Once again it is checked to you, you check, button bets 2x the pot, MP pushes all in 2x button bet...Result tomorrow around 6pm.

[custom36]

I hit all in, but on second thought, I cold call so I can start a side pot in case the raiser has trips also. However, I'm thinking he hit 2 pair.

[Vade]

I'm all in hereI definitely think A9 is the most likely holding, though it's possible you're behind.AK will also make this move a lot of the time, to try to "maximize profit" lol

[MasterLJ]

I'd do just about anything but fold and laugh when MP flips over 45 =D.

[Erudis]

i voted push all in. you're gonna get all your chips in there anyway, and the button is probably gonna call too, so there's no reason to get cute, just put the chips in. you could be up against many different hands ranging from 2 pair to a bigger set to a straight. without the benefit of a read and without the actual numbers, it seems like the price is fine and who knows what you're up against, you might as well just get the chips in. hopefully one was a bluff and one was 2 pair. what would really be funny is if both of them have the nut straight and you river the boat. now that's some sausage!

[jack24bauer24]

I call and hope that the other guy comes along for the ride...either that or I raise the minimum again hoping to get him to put in more money.Folding isn't an option.Ever.

[woutoR]

dont fold da trips, go all-in here 8)he also could have a A x betting with the TP and hoping on a flush draw

[wrto4556]

i voted call, get the other dude to come along for the ride, raising all in is only scaring him out of the pot.

[akishore]

wrto4556 said:

i voted call, get the other dude to come along for the ride, raising all in is only scaring him out of the pot.

same reason i voted call earlier, but was too lazy to post.most likely, your set of 2's is the best hand, so you want people in since you have strong equity.i would put button on two pair, A2/A3 and the other guy on Ax of diamonds or A9.and hell, if someone has a straight with 54(s) or a set of 3's, i'm paying them off anyway. more power to them, i'll get them back later.aseem

[Ebonwoulfe]

Yeah I don't think you can dump that hand there. However, there is much to be worried about. The button might be making a "push everyone out" play with 56 (hopefully not 45 ), while even though he is a tight player he might be prone to go for it here. If he's slowplaying AA, well boffo for him, he hit the one flop that was gonna get your chips after the flop (otherwise he catches an A and you fold, you catch a 2 and bust the hell out of him). Let's say he doesn't have AA. He doesn't have 99, or he would have folded the flop.Do you think he wanted the overcall from the MP? Perhaps. He might have 33. Let's think about it. There's not much of a need to cut down the odds when you have second set; you're up against either a made straight (decent redraws for 33, but a little bit too far behind to go after the pot), a straight draw (you're making bookoo bucks on every $ in the pot), or an Ax, possibly two pair (the best thing you can be up against except A9, since he would only have two outs or four).If the button flopped the straight (not very likely, unless he limps a lot on implied odds calls, then eeeeek), well good for him, but the 2x pot bet on the turn was far too big. With a nut straight, the only draws on that turn would be the miracle diamond draw (remember it came on the turn AFTER a pot-sized bet) or a full house draw. Giving the first opponent 1.5-1 to hit his flush draw will push him off every time, not the bet to make with a made straight -OR- 33. You want callers with these hands... of course, if they'll call 2x the pot bets with these draws, might as well let them. The FH gets there against a str8 about 4-1, the flush gets there about 4-1, you don't have to risk so much with a made str8 to get these opponents to make signifant mistakes when they call.In spite of all that, I give him *possibly* Ax , trying to win it right there (but an awfully big risk to do so), A3 , feeling good but doesn't care if his bet is called or folded because he thinks he's strong either way (flush draw, boat draw, or two pair already made), or some sort of straight/flush combo draw but nothing yet. If you're dominated with 33 or AA, just cry.Now the 2x raiser. He has to have something... either a strong draw, slowplayed nuts, or a prayer. He might have 4-something , giving him a straight draw and a flush draw (strong, but I wouldn't take 1.5-1 odds to call w/ it). Did he hit his 99? I doubt it. AA slowplayed? Depends on what you think of his game. The more I think about it the more that this seems like a possibility, but like I said about AA previously, if you got lucky and he got lucky just take your lumps. 45s? Always a danger, but you can't always be afraid of the cinch hand. I'm done writing.Final thoughts:You almost have to close your eyes and at least call. You're getting 3.5:1, you have a strong hand. You might want to try to shut out the button. I doubt anyone has a bigger set than you (the middle pairs, which one might have been 99, would have folded the flop, AA probably would have raised pf, but maybe not; like I said, you need a strong read to believe someone else has AA). Well someone might have 33. Raise if you really want the button out. I think you do, because if you just call he's getting 11-1 odds no matter what he has, although with just 1 pair and no redraws he's drawing dead. Otherwise he's getting correct odds to call.MP might be trying to shut you out in case you're on a draw and he wants to get HU w/ button.I say: Button: Ax , MP: A9If I'm dead wrong... I don't careI wouldn't be surprised to see MP have AA tho, can't rule that out...

[AK33]

Ok here's how the hand ended:Both of these bets threw me, it was unlike any kind of action I had seen at the table the entire time I was playing and it was a few hours. Something didn't feel right to me and I didn't want to put that much money at risk when my gut wasn't with me. After some time I deceided to lay it down, looking back on the hand if the betting was lower I know I would have lost a lot of money and honestly on a different day I probably would call. Well the button called the MP all in raise and flipped over 4 5 MP flipped over A A I didn't put anybody on aces but limping in with monsters is becoming a trend, don't ask me why. The button had been playing solid so I really thought he had me beat. The river was the 8 so the button picked up a nice five hundred dollar pot. Thanks for voting, I'll post another hand in the next day or so if there continues to be interest.

[Swift_Psycho]

AK33 said:

Ok here's how the hand ended:Both of these bets threw me, it was unlike any kind of action I had seen at the table the entire time I was playing and it was a few hours.  Something didn't feel right to me and I didn't want to put that much money at risk when my gut wasn't with me.  After some time I deceided to lay it down, looking back on the hand if the betting was lower I know I would have lost a lot of money and honestly on a different day I probably would call.  Well the button called the MP all in raise and flipped over 4 5  MP flipped over A A  I didn't put anybody on aces but limping in with monsters is becoming a trend, don't ask me why.  The button had been playing solid so I really thought he had me beat.  The river was the 8 so the button picked up a nice five hundred dollar pot.    Thanks for voting, I'll post another hand in the next day or so if there continues to be interest.

The hand actually should have been dead, there were two :spadesa: in the deck.

[AK33]

My mistake, pick a read suit. :green:

[Vade]

Been said before, don't worry too much about resultsMaking correct decisions >>> winning one particular pot