gibler321 1 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 ok so i was playing in a $11r. it was into the 2nd hour, prob 2 hr 30 min in. avg stack was prob 16k, then this hand occurred. PokerStars Game #8381794773: Tournament #42107216, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/02/11 - 00:19:46 (ET)Table '42107216 162' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: U-Say-Uncle (34040 in chips) Seat 2: gibler321 (14368 in chips) Seat 3: grandslamsal (15725 in chips) Seat 4: bkktag (4030 in chips) Seat 5: Chiplead13 (3597 in chips) Seat 6: lancesavage1 (5550 in chips) Seat 7: HighCardAce0 (30650 in chips) Seat 8: MEJG2 (39925 in chips) Seat 9: TwistedEcho (18195 in chips) U-Say-Uncle: posts the ante 50gibler321: posts the ante 50grandslamsal: posts the ante 50bkktag: posts the ante 50Chiplead13: posts the ante 50lancesavage1: posts the ante 50HighCardAce0: posts the ante 50teMEJG2: posts the ante 50TwistedEcho: posts the ante 50U-Say-Uncle: posts small blind 300gibler321: posts big blind 600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to gibler321 [6s Js]grandslamsal: folds bkktag: folds Chiplead13: folds lancesavage1: folds HighCardAce0: folds MEJG2: folds TwistedEcho: raises 1200 to 1800U-Say-Uncle: calls 1500gibler321: calls 1200*** FLOP *** [Jh 9h 8d]U-Say-Uncle: bets 2400gibler321: raises 10118 to 12518 and is all-inTwistedEcho: raises 3827 to 16345 and is all-inU-Say-Uncle: folds gibler321 said, " dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn. gg, gl all"*** TURN *** [Jh 9h 8d] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [Jh 9h 8d Tc] [2h]*** SHOW DOWN ***gibler321: shows [6s Js] (a pair of Jacks)TwistedEcho: shows [Ac Ts] (a pair of Tens)gibler321 collected 33286 from potgibler321 said, "lol"TwistedEcho said, "nice call preflop sir"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 33286 | Rake 0 Board [Jh 9h 8d Tc 2h]Seat 1: U-Say-Uncle (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 2: gibler321 (big blind) showed [6s Js] and won (33286) with a pair of JacksSeat 3: grandslamsal folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: bkktag folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Chiplead13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: lancesavage1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: HighCardAce0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: MEJG2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: TwistedEcho (button) showed [Ac Ts] and lost with a pair of Tensok well, this is what i knew about twisted. all i really knew was that he was a great player. ive played with him a few times, and he always seems to get deep. he raised from the button (standard). the sb (aggressive) called, then i called. the flop comes J 9 8 (two cards of the same suit). sb bets 4x and i push (hoping everyone folds). the only reason i pushed was because i thought dealer was on a button steal, and sb was wild and loves to bet. dealer thinks for a while, and calls my all in bet (i had 15k to start, he had 18k). after dealer calls, sb folds. i feel as i am beat, so i just say gg gl. echo flips this OESD, and i am just puzzled. i win the hand. after the hand echo talks about my call preflop. i say "well if you are going to make fun of my PF play, i might as well make fun of your flop play" after i say that, he responds in saying that he made the correct call on the flop. he busts a few hands later, and i am just puzzled. when i reraised the sb, i could have very easily had a flush draw. and if i have a flush draw, his straight draw is slim to hit. so, my question is, did he make the correct call in that spot???? idk if he is calling for implied odds, but can someone help me? thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Welcome to Strategy.To enhance your strategy experience, we ask that you follow the following rules:1) Convert your hands here.2) Do not include results.3) Post in the appropriate forum - In your case: Tournament Strategy- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 2) Do not include results.Generally it's helpful to omit the results. Although it's okay here because the big question is, was it correct for the button to call with an OESD.I probably wouldn't be inclined to agree with his call, mainly because he's drawing to the second best hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Generally it's helpful to omit the results. Although it's okay here because the big question is, was it correct for the button to call with an OESD.I probably wouldn't be inclined to agree with his call, mainly because he's drawing to the second best hand.Yeah, I didn't read the paragraph at the end. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 roughly, looking at the numbers, if he knew your hand, it's a +EV Chip-wise call.But, given he does not know your hand, I'd tend to think it's a bad callYour preflop call was lousy, though Link to post Share on other sites
lunarphase 0 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 bored and wanted to make sure these work Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Fold Preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Fold preflop, fold to the first flop bet. If you called the first flop bet, Twisted pushed and the bettor folded I think its a call, if Twisted pushed and bettor called Id fold. You got very lucky on this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think his flop call was bad, but not nearly as bad as your play on both streets. This is a clear fold preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
msals11 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 this is pretty bad.. i mean you are completely playing the hand in the dark vs. the button raiser on this flop... you have no idea where he is at in the hand so shoving top pair no kicker is just terrible... obv as everyone else said fold preflop, but on the flop i don't think im shoving here Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Fold preflop, fold to the first flop bet. You got very lucky on this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Fold preflop, fold to the first flop bet. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 this is pretty bad.. i mean you are completely playing the hand in the dark vs. the button raiser on this flop... you have no idea where he is at in the hand so shoving top pair no kicker is just terrible... obv as everyone else said fold preflop, but on the flop i don't think im shoving here Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 RDog, Mark, please post more in strat.That is all. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 roughly, looking at the numbers, if he knew your hand, it's a +EV Chip-wise call.But, given he does not know your hand, I'd tend to think it's a bad callYour preflop call was lousy, though How dare you say that about J6 sooooted. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 RDog, Mark, please post more in strat.That is all.Hard with all the crap going on currently with online poker. At least from most of the stuff I see if people would follow Cop's advice, they would be winning players. Link to post Share on other sites
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