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[gibler321]

ok so i was playing in a $11r. it was into the 2nd hour, prob 2 hr 30 min in. avg stack was prob 16k, then this hand occurred.

PokerStars Game #8381794773: Tournament #42107216, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/02/11 - 00:19:46 (ET)
Table '42107216 162' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: U-Say-Uncle (34040 in chips)
Seat 2: gibler321 (14368 in chips)
Seat 3: grandslamsal (15725 in chips)
Seat 4: bkktag (4030 in chips)
Seat 5: Chiplead13 (3597 in chips)
Seat 6: lancesavage1 (5550 in chips)
Seat 7: HighCardAce0 (30650 in chips)
Seat 8: MEJG2 (39925 in chips)
Seat 9: TwistedEcho (18195 in chips)
U-Say-Uncle: posts the ante 50
gibler321: posts the ante 50
grandslamsal: posts the ante 50
bkktag: posts the ante 50
Chiplead13: posts the ante 50
lancesavage1: posts the ante 50
HighCardAce0: posts the ante 50te
MEJG2: posts the ante 50
TwistedEcho: posts the ante 50
U-Say-Uncle: posts small blind 300
gibler321: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gibler321 [6s Js]
grandslamsal: folds
bkktag: folds
Chiplead13: folds
lancesavage1: folds
HighCardAce0: folds
MEJG2: folds
TwistedEcho: raises 1200 to 1800
U-Say-Uncle: calls 1500
gibler321: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9h 8d]
U-Say-Uncle: bets 2400
gibler321: raises 10118 to 12518 and is all-in
TwistedEcho: raises 3827 to 16345 and is all-in
U-Say-Uncle: folds
gibler321 said, " dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn. gg, gl all"
*** TURN *** [Jh 9h 8d] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 9h 8d Tc] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gibler321: shows [6s Js] (a pair of Jacks)
TwistedEcho: shows [Ac Ts] (a pair of Tens)
gibler321 collected 33286 from pot
gibler321 said, "lol"
TwistedEcho said, "nice call preflop sir"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 33286 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 9h 8d Tc 2h]
Seat 1: U-Say-Uncle (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: gibler321 (big blind) showed [6s Js] and won (33286) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: grandslamsal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bkktag folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Chiplead13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lancesavage1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: HighCardAce0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MEJG2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TwistedEcho (button) showed [Ac Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens


ok well, this is what i knew about twisted. all i really knew was that he was a great player. ive played with him a few times, and he always seems to get deep. he raised from the button (standard). the sb (aggressive) called, then i called. the flop comes J 9 8 (two cards of the same suit). sb bets 4x and i push (hoping everyone folds). the only reason i pushed was because i thought dealer was on a button steal, and sb was wild and loves to bet. dealer thinks for a while, and calls my all in bet (i had 15k to start, he had 18k). after dealer calls, sb folds. i feel as i am beat, so i just say gg gl. echo flips this OESD, and i am just puzzled. i win the hand. after the hand echo talks about my call preflop. i say "well if you are going to make fun of my PF play, i might as well make fun of your flop play" after i say that, he responds in saying that he made the correct call on the flop. he busts a few hands later, and i am just puzzled. when i reraised the sb, i could have very easily had a flush draw. and if i have a flush draw, his straight draw is slim to hit. so, my question is, did he make the correct call in that spot???? idk if he is calling for implied odds, but can someone help me? thanks

[Zach6668]

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[Money022]

2) Do not include results.

Generally it's helpful to omit the results. Although it's okay here because the big question is, was it correct for the button to call with an OESD.

I probably wouldn't be inclined to agree with his call, mainly because he's drawing to the second best hand.

[Zach6668]

Generally it's helpful to omit the results. Although it's okay here because the big question is, was it correct for the button to call with an OESD.

I probably wouldn't be inclined to agree with his call, mainly because he's drawing to the second best hand.

Yeah, I didn't read the paragraph at the end.

[Actuary]

roughly, looking at the numbers, if he knew your hand, it's a +EV Chip-wise call.

But, given he does not know your hand, I'd tend to think it's a bad call


Your preflop call was lousy, though

[lunarphase]

bored and wanted to make sure these work

[NickTheKid]

Fold Preflop.

[copernicus]

Fold preflop, fold to the first flop bet. If you called the first flop bet, Twisted pushed and the bettor folded I think its a call, if Twisted pushed and bettor called Id fold. You got very lucky on this hand.

[rog]

I think his flop call was bad, but not nearly as bad as your play on both streets. This is a clear fold preflop.

[msals11]

this is pretty bad.. i mean you are completely playing the hand in the dark vs. the button raiser on this flop... you have no idea where he is at in the hand so shoving top pair no kicker is just terrible... obv as everyone else said fold preflop, but on the flop i don't think im shoving here

[GABMAD]

Fold preflop, fold to the first flop bet. You got very lucky on this hand.

[RDog]

Fold preflop, fold to the first flop bet.

[RDog]

this is pretty bad.. i mean you are completely playing the hand in the dark vs. the button raiser on this flop... you have no idea where he is at in the hand so shoving top pair no kicker is just terrible... obv as everyone else said fold preflop, but on the flop i don't think im shoving here

[Zach6668]

RDog, Mark, please post more in strat.

That is all.

[SuperJon]

roughly, looking at the numbers, if he knew your hand, it's a +EV Chip-wise call.

But, given he does not know your hand, I'd tend to think it's a bad call
Your preflop call was lousy, though

How dare you say that about J6 sooooted.

[RDog]

RDog, Mark, please post more in strat.

That is all.

Hard with all the crap going on currently with online poker. At least from most of the stuff I see if people would follow Cop's advice, they would be winning players.