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[ROGUE06]

It's 3 handed, I'm in 2nd place with 3x more chips than the small Shortstack. The CL has a monster stack and to my right. I pick up AQ in SB which is a monster 3 handed, bad push in SB? In Sngs, your primary goal is to cash then once you make the money, you shoot for first. How many ppl would fold this to make it to atleast 2nd? If I folded, I prolly would have been locked 2nd place and been like a 5 to 1 dog heads up. Since SS is soo small, move up pay ladder or still play normally?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t10895)
Button (t655)
Hero (t1950)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to t1950, BB calls t1800.

Flop: (t3900) K, 4, 7 (2 players)

Turn: (t3900) 2 (2 players)

River: (t3900) J (2 players)

Final Pot: t3900

Results in white below:
BB has 8s Jh (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Ad Qh (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins t3900.

[rogerwilco]

You must push this in my opinion. You still have a chance to win the tournament, and if you fold you are still not guaranteed 2nd place - if short stack doubles up once through the chip leader and you lose a couple blinds by playing too weakly - you will be the short stack very soon.

[DoinSublime]

Push for first.

[copernicus]

I would just complete, and if BB raises fold. This is a very borderline push, because so much of your equity is tied up in 2d place and you can get there either by doubling up (which increases your first place equity) or patience (which could kill whatever first place equity you have). SnGPT puts this as a coinflip for pushing or folding (.1% in favor of pushing against a loose BB. Also, if calls 100% of the time, it is a bad push, losing .3%, which confirms that your equity is mostly 2d place, so Fold Equity and laying low are the two keys).

With a stack more than 10x the BB, and the cost of the complete virtually meaningless vs the small stack, Id try and see the flop before I committed a lot of chips. Obviously this would even be better in position, but i think its worth a shot to see the flop.

[pokerfan1080]

You made the correct play, imo. The chip leader made a really questionable, loose call. I'll never understand why these guys will risk that much of their stack with junk hands.

These are the calls we want in this position. You were 65/35 fav, all you can do is get your money in with the better hand, and that's what you did.

[Mercury69]

I'd be happy checking it down after that flop. Either the opp is weak or is trapping. Either way, you stand to lose more than you gain by betting into the board.

[cubbybri]

I don't mind the push but I don't know if it is necessary with how the chips stacks are right now. Chip leader has a lot of chips and you run risk of getting sucked out though. I say in most cases if called in this situation you are ahead as I think BB calling range is bigger than avearage.

The Low stack folded though. Why push, you have no insurance of better money in this situation. Yes a double up puts you closer to the chip leader but you still have a hill to climb.

The call is good for trapping or losing little.

My question is, IF you know the chip leader's style and he is prone to weaker holdings, why not a raise? If you raise rather than push, you look stronger. If you know the type hands BB plays, if he does repop ya you can still bow out if you feel you are not good. Stacks would still stay close to the same. You have lost a little equity in your chance to land second but not by much. Small stack would still need to double up and his next hands are the BB and SB. You get better fold equity in my opinion if you push the flop whether you hit or not.

Since button is not involved in this hand and only know chip leader has monster stack, I say limping is best measure. If willing to make a good gamble though, I can see how the push may give you better chance of 1st but also greater chance at third.


After seeing results

You did what you thought you needed to do, tough luck. That is the chance you took when pushing though. You can see how a limp would have given you a second chance to win this pot. A called small raise would have probably taken this pot as well with a push on the flop.

[copernicus]

You made the correct play, imo. The chip leader made a really questionable, loose call. I'll never understand why these guys will risk that much of their stack with junk hands.

These are the calls we want in this position. You were 65/35 fav, all you can do is get your money in with the better hand, and that's what you did.

I didnt realize the results were there. You are correct it was a loose call, but not a horrible one, depending on the range he puts SB on. Before posting BB has 46% equity in the prize pool, after losing this it only drops to 43%. Overall BB is only losing .5/1% equity in the prize pool by calling against loose/tight raises. Against the actual hand he's .7% to the bad for calling.

[pokerfan1080]

I didnt realize the results were there. You are correct it was a loose call, but not a horrible one, depending on the range he puts SB on. Before posting BB has 46% equity in the prize pool, after losing this it only drops to 43%. Overall BB is only losing .5/1% equity in the prize pool by calling against loose/tight raises. Against the actual hand he's .7% to the bad for calling.

Wow, those are some interesting numbers. Is that SnGPT?

[copernicus]

Wow, those are some interesting numbers. Is that SnGPT?

Yes

[pokerfan1080]

Yes

Just might have to get me a version of that software.

[copernicus]

Just might have to get me a version of that software.

There are other ICM calculators that might be a little more flexible so check them out too. The tutorials in SnGPT are good though.