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[simo_8ball]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: t1540
BB: t1460

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with 3 9
Hero calls t15 (pot was t45), BB checks.

Flop: 3 2 8 (t60, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t40, BB calls t40 (pot was t100).

Turn: 4 (t140, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 3 (t140, 2 players)
BB is all-in t1390, Hero?



Villain had been playing 'normally' until this point. No real read.

[Zach6668]

I instacall.

I can't justify it other than he can't imagine you have a 3, so he's rarely doing one of those "shove with the nuts" moves and expecting a call, IMO.

[rocketpoker828]

I call, and expect to see a busted flush draw muck.

[ChrisRichey]

Wow. I call and expect him to show 56d.

[Zach6668]

Wow. I call and expect him to show 56d.

Then why do you call?

[ChrisRichey]

Then why do you call?

Lol, implying that that's how I run.

[XXEddie]

Then why do you call?

QFT

just because you have trips doesnt mean you have to call.

This does look a lot like a missed flush draw, but as Chris pointed out it could be like 56d or even A5d, but i think he woulda have played those more aggressively

Call

[navybuttons]

i think we gotta call. i just can't see a competent player pushing here w/ 56 hoping we were betting the 3 on the flop.

there's a lot of overbet bluffers out there and i'd hope that villain is one.

[Zach6668]

i think we gotta call. i just can't see a competent player pushing here w/ 56 hoping we were betting the 3 on the flop.

there's a lot of overbet bluffers out there and i'd hope that villain is one.

Exactly, like I said, villain would have to have an insane read to give us credit for a 3 here. There's nothing else that would call this shove here, so this is almost never one of those "nut shoves".

[copernicus]

Hes got a wide range but hero should be better than 50:50 here

[GABMAD]

I'm gonna have to say fold. He's either got a three, a set (a boat), or a straight with 65.

Move on to the next hand. You haven't invested enough and are getting like 1:1 basically.


EDIT AFTER READING RESPONSES: forgot to mention the flush draw. He would not bet all in to bluff it. The pot is too small. He'd make pot sized bet. I guess I'm the only one going with 'fold'...I think I'm right.

[trystero]

I'm gonna have to say fold. He's either got a three, a set (a boat), or a straight with 65.

Move on to the next hand. You haven't invested enough and are getting like 1:1 basically.
EDIT AFTER READING RESPONSES: forgot to mention the flush draw. He would not bet all in to bluff it. The pot is too small. He'd make pot sized bet. I guess I'm the only one going with 'fold'...I think I'm right.

This looks far more like a bluff than a nutz shove. I give credit for a big hand after a shove when we've shown to like our own hand. We've done no such thing here, simply betting on the flop. Villain has no reason to believe that we're as strong as three of a kind, so pushing a fullhouse or straight here would be stupid to say the least.

I can't see how we're wrong >50% of the time here

[GABMAD]

This looks far more like a bluff than a nutz shove. I give credit for a big hand after a shove when we've shown to like our own hand. We've done no such thing here, simply betting on the flop. Villain has no reason to believe that we're as strong as three of a kind, so pushing a fullhouse or straight here would be stupid to say the least.

I've seen it done many times. and look at the odds that the pot is laying you. Not worth it. You've invested 70 and are willing to call that much more? People shove the nutz here because they know that you know that the bet looks weak and they think you'll pay them off with a crappy hand trying to make a big call. I bet this is one of these situations. Post results OP I want to know lol

[simo_8ball]

Post results OP I want to know lol

Hero folds. Villain mucks.

/shrug

[tskillz187]

Hero folds. Villain mucks.

/shrug

I don't mind the fold. Is it worth it for a 140 pot, I don't know. People think that shoving here s stupid, but if he is going to get a call of a value bet on the river of say 100, he just needs this play to work 1:14 times for it to get the same result. Overbets are so cool.

[GABMAD]

Hero folds. Villain mucks.

/shrug

lol...nice laydown

[Zach6668]

I don't mind the fold. Is it worth it for a 140 pot, I don't know. People think that shoving here s stupid, but if he is going to get a call of a value bet on the river of say 100, he just needs this play to work 1:14 times for it to get the same result. Overbets are so cool.

It's not a 140 pot. It's a 1530 pot.

We only have to be goot here a bit less than 50% of the time.

[tskillz187]

Yeah, I know. I guess I meant we have very little invested here. I don't mind calling, I just think folding is fine too.

[Mercury69]

I'm folding this to the club flush possibilities...I think villain checked the turn hoping Hero would bet out again and decided to push the river hoping the Hero would read it as weakness. There's no reason to call off your stack hoping he either doesn't have a flush or a str8 or, less likeyl, a higher set (or even the case 3 with a better kicker).

[Bubba83]

There isn't a possibility of a flush.