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[BeaverStyle]

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UTG (t13664)
MP (t1775)
CO (t17770)
Button (t8736)
SB (t15315)
Hero (t10240)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
1 fold, MP raises to t1725, 2 folds, SB raises to t2650, HERO???.


The short stack in this one had a low M, so I didn't put him on much, but the button was pretty tight but aggressive when in position.
Lay it down?
Play for set-value?
Re-reraise isolation?


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UTG (t13564)
MP (t3150)
CO (t16270)
Button (t3785)
SB (t15890)
Hero (t14841)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 3.
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t1450) 5, 8, 4 (2 players)
SB bets t1900, Hero ?????.

How do we play Top pair no kicker here... do we play it at all? Put in a raise?

villain is same person who min-reraised in hand 1.

[gobears]

SB obviously doesn't want to cooperate on the first hand - you're not getting the odds to hit your set. I think that I fold there.

On the second hand, I just call the bet in position. If we don't improve on the turn, I would let it go to another pot sized or more bet on the turn by villain.

[cdipierr]

Hand 1 -- Easy fold, why get involved here, you're going to see an over on something like 75% of the flops, so why bother making this a tough hand. What do you do on a K53 flop when the SB bets into you? Just give it up.

Hand 2 -- Depends, I might just call, I might min-raise. I wouldn't fold, but I wouldn't fall in love if there's a bad turn card. I guess call is the better option here, you have 2 backdoor possibilities so there are a lot of decent turn cards, so see it as cheap as possible.

[Balloon guy]

Hand 1: fold


Hand 2: If he raised preflop would you have any problem folding? I'm not going broke with 83 after fighting myself into a decent chip stack.

I am getting less and less interested in trying to protect my weak pairs no kickers when I'm in a blind vs blind siuation. I swear I go broke more with 104 off because I flop a ten and it must be the best hand right? He only limped. So after playing great for 2 hours I donk off my chips because the SB limped and I catch a little something on the flop

If you have a real tight image and the player is good enough to care I still would not want to invest 1900 more chips / 13% of my stack with 83.

[ChrisRichey]

Both hands seem like fairly easy folds to me. We're def not deep enough to play the first hand for set value, and I don't like pushing. On the second hand, we have TPBK.

[WhatArunAA]

1- Instafold

2... depends.. any reads on villain.. ?

[Jam-Fly]

If you believe you can bust villiain if you flop an 8 then maybe you can take a flop. But you must be very sure he will go all the way, and generally, people don't.

Hand 2 is a big weakness of mine. I am usually very suspicous and get over involved in blind v blind hands. Here though, I like reraising, it will likely end the hand right or you will know your behind and get out. If he calls, and you still have the best hand, there is a good chance he'll be willing to check it down until river.
Folding is fine too I think. Don't like calling at all, it is most likely to cost you the most money (unless you want to trap with the 83!!)

[DonkSlayer]

1. Why does everyone advocate a fold here? At least call for set or overpair equity...SB's range can be pretty wide if he doesn't expect you to come along. If you know he'll check-down until at least the the turn, this is an insta-call, and if he get really aggro on the flop, you're creamed anyway but gave yourself a chance to get a lot of chips.

2. I raise to about 4k. Easy flop for him to take a stab at and he won't call/raise you unless he has you beat.

[copernicus]

1. Why does everyone advocate a fold here? At least call for set or overpair equity...SB's range can be pretty wide if he doesn't expect you to come along. If you know he'll check-down until at least the the turn, this is an insta-call, and if he get really aggro on the flop, you're creamed anyway but gave yourself a chance to get a lot of chips.

2. I raise to about 4k. Easy flop for him to take a stab at and he won't call/raise you unless he has you beat.

1...you dont have nearly the stack needed for implied odds for a set, and 8s dont have great overpair value in the face of two raises.
2...What does the overbet mean? He can take a stab at this pot for a lot less than his bet. Small pots for small hands. Theres no turn card you love except an 8. Raising here is a waste of chips

[DonkSlayer]

1...you dont have nearly the stack needed for implied odds for a set, and 8s dont have great overpair value in the face of two raises.

Implied odds are about their stack. I think we can definitely get his money in by the turn if we flop a set and he catches a piece.

2...What does the overbet mean? He can take a stab at this pot for a lot less than his bet. Small pots for small hands. Theres no turn card you love except an 8. Raising here is a waste of chips

I didn't notice very well that it was an overbet. If raising is a waste of chips, though, then you have to fold.

[anyone1]

2nd situation is auto muck but a very interesting right-click note.

1st situation I thought was auto muck too but.... the fact that one player is all in already might get your opponent to check it down allowing you to hit a possible set on any of the five cards rather than being limited to the first 3.

[ChrisRichey]

Implied odds are about their stack. I think we can definitely get his money in by the turn if we flop a set and he catches a piece.

Not when our stack dictates that there is no way possible for us to get the correct implied odds.

[ChrisRichey]

1st situation I thought was auto muck too but.... the fact that one player is all in already might get your opponent to check it down allowing you to hit a possible set on any of the five cards rather than being limited to the first 3.

His minraise indicates that he has a hand is not likely going to check it down. It's a fold.

[GABMAD]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t13664)
MP (t1775)
CO (t17770)
Button (t8736)
SB (t15315)
Hero (t10240)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
1 fold, MP raises to t1725, 2 folds, SB raises to t2650, HERO???.
The short stack in this one had a low M, so I didn't put him on much, but the button was pretty tight but aggressive when in position.
Lay it down?
Play for set-value?
Re-reraise isolation?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t13564)
MP (t3150)
CO (t16270)
Button (t3785)
SB (t15890)
Hero (t14841)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 3.
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t1450) 5, 8, 4 (2 players)
SB bets t1900, Hero ?????.

How do we play Top pair no kicker here... do we play it at all? Put in a raise?

villain is same person who min-reraised in hand 1.

In hand 1, I think it's correct to raise all in and isolate. His min raise looks weak to me.

In hand two I would call and see what he does on the turn. This sounds a little weak to me but I think it's better than raising all in? isn't it? And folding top pair here is weak because that'd be weak/tight.

[copernicus]

Implied odds are about their stack. I think we can definitely get his money in by the turn if we flop a set and he catches a piece.

You have to look at the smaller of the two stacks...youre only getting 4:1 plus the pushers money in implied odds IF you can even stack him.

[ramenandeggs]

i haven't memorized all the math so refresh my memory please. you need closer to 7.5-8:1 odds for drawin to sets right?

[copernicus]

i haven't memorized all the math so refresh my memory please. you need closer to 7.5-8:1 odds for drawin to sets right?

Yes, 7.5:1 odds, or 12% chance of winning.