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[custom36]

Another Noble Poker hand, so bear with me:NL Hold'em, $0.25/0.50 New to the table, thus no reads.Hero: $27A: $33B: $35C: $60I'm dealt AA on the button. In EP, Player A rases to $2.50. In MP, player B calls. In front of me, player C calls. I raise to $5. All 3 call.Flop: 9s-8s-5cChecked around to me. I go all in. Players A and B call. Player C folds. Turn is a rag spade, river is a rag.A turns over JJ, B turns over KK, so I win.I wrote this for 2 reasons: 1) I'm very happy to finally not be drawn out on. 2) I'm wondering if I played it correctly. I figured one player was on AK and the others may have had PP's. They all checked to me. I was fairly sure nobody had a straight draw (or would call with it). That leaves a flush draw and a set. If there was a flush draw, I would have played the same. A set would have killed me. Would you have played it like that? Should I play it differently next time? Thanks for your help.

[KDawgCometh]

you overbet the pot big time. A pot sized bet there is in order and with your chipstack it looks like a bluff. that's my recomendation

[Swift_Psycho]

Your pre-flop raise is way too small. You should make a near pot-sized raise pre-flop with that many opponents in the hand. Then, when that flop hits, you can go all in without way overbetting the pot.

[looshle]

Actually if theres $5 in from 4 different peopke and we started with $27, then the pot is $20.75 and we only have $22 left. I like raising it more than the minimum preflop making it around $8, but you did the right thing on the flop with only a couple dollars more than the pot.

[Swift_Psycho]

looshle said:

Actually if theres $5 in from 4 different peopke and we started with $27, then the pot is $20.75 and we only have $22 left. I like raising it more than the minimum preflop making it around $8, but you did the right thing on the flop with only a couple dollars more than the pot.

Okay, maybe when I said "way" overbetting the pot, I was exaggerating a little.

[Vade]

Raising the minimum with AA is never really a good idea9/10 you want heads up with your rockets, or make two people call very large bets

[Mr Monkey]

i would have just gone all in preflop. from my expeirence at these limits once 2 players put 2 or 3 dollars in preflop one of them will usually call your all in raise. when i play no limit if i pick up AA its all in preflop. With AA i want to play an all in pot with 1 or 2 players i dont like letting people in with hands that tend to beat AA. I want a call from a player with a high PP or AK or AQ. I dont want a call from a j10,qj,89 or any other suited connector. alot of time people fold but when i win the big pots it more then makes up for the times i win nothing with AA. I tend to ethier win small pots or win big pots but with this strategy i never seem to get into a pickle where i dont know where i am with AA after the flop with other players betting and raising. By not getting in these situations i save alot of money

[Ebonwoulfe]

Yeah the weak move was not moving in a bit stronger preflop. With that kind of dead money in the pot, you need to move a person or two off their hands. Realize that, when you are against a KK, almost every player that is in the pot is stealing equity (their share of the chance to win the pot) from YOU, not the KK or the JJ. Let's illustrate with an example of the greatest cut you can make into an AA, the suited connector:AA against KK heads up: equity (%) win (%) / tie (%) 81.2555 % [ 00.81 00.00 ] { AdAc } 18.7445 % [ 00.19 00.00 ] { KsKh }AA against KK and 76s: equity (%) win (%) / tie (%) 61.2958 % [ 00.61 00.00 ] { AdAc }21.1584 % [ 00.21 00.00 ] { 7h6h }17.5457 % [ 00.17 00.00 ] { KsKh }Look at that! Your equity with AA drops 20% due to the presence of the 76s, but the KK loses only 1%!Granted, you are now have a 65% chance to win 2-1 on your money as opposed to a 81% chance to win 1-1 on your money, but that's if there's no dead money in the pot AND if all the money goes in the pot preflop.Now to your situation:AA, JJ, KK, and a random hand: equity (%) win (%) / tie (%) 57.0313 % [ 00.57 00.00 ] { AdAc }14.2132 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { JhJd }17.7352 % [ 00.18 00.00 ] { KsKh }11.0203 % [ 00.11 00.00 ] { random }Notice you only have a big equity drop for letting the JJ and the random hand in cheaply. The good thing is, you're now getting 3-1 on 57% equity as oppposed to 1-1 on 81% equity. However, if you get the random hand to fold and the JJ and KK call a larger raise, you now get the improved equity of just facing JJ and KK AND you get the dead money in the pot increasing your odds.Plus, you decrease the chance that the random hand will hit a draw or two pair or something that will actually serve to drop your equity even further.If you're really sick of bad beats, put in bigger raises!