rdtedm 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hey all - I'm new to the forums, but not to the game.I recently upped from .50-1.00 to 1-2 at a local game that my friend invited me to. My first 5 or so outings im averaging +$180, and have been reading opponents well to make that money.The following hand came down:Button (me) - $260Small blind - $60Big Blind - $400Folds to the button, i look down at 10-J of clubs, and raise to $10. SB calls and BB re-raises to $25. I call, SB calls.Flop:8c 9c 5dSB checks, BB bets $15, I call, SB moves all in for $20 more. BB calls, I call. Here I'm guessing BB has AK or AQ clubs, and i'm guessing the SB has a made hand with either a set or a straight (since I've noticed that he plays suited connectors for large preflop raises). Turn is Ks making the board:8c 9c 5d KsThe big blind immediately goes all-in to an empty side pot. This puts me all in with about 10 cards to give me a winner, or between 10-15 if my read on the big blind is wrong. What should I have done? I'll post results after I get a few responses. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 with all the action get a lot of your chips in on the flop and take control of the action in position by reraising the BBs lead at the flop that way the blank turn doesn't have you second guessing the power of your draw. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 If my math is correct, you are $200 to call into a $380 pot.If you have SB on a straight, and BB w/ AQc and higher flush, your odds of winning this hand is only 14%.If you have SB on a straight, and BB w/ AKc and higher flush, your odds of winning this hand is only 16%.If you have SB on a set, and BB w/ AQc and higher flush, your odds of winning this hand is only 16%.My point is, I don't think the odds are in your favor in a 3 way pot. From the side pot perspective, your still not in good shape.I'd fold, but I'm a puss with these hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Based on our read, our flush draw is likely dead, it feels like the Villan has Top Pair with a flush draw, leaving us with only an OESD. We don't have "Pot Odds". Therefore, as played: Fold. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 I folded. BB showed 7-10d and SB had a made straight. River was the Qc, which would have given me a straight flush and a huge pot. I still don't understand the play the BB made.. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I folded. BB showed 7-10d and SB had a made straight. River was the Qc, which would have given me a straight flush and a huge pot. I still don't understand the play the BB made..Semi bluff. He had an OESD and wanted to isolate the other guy. He figured he migh be beat by the SB, he read you correctly and figured you'd fold to the push. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 If my math is correct, you are $200 to call into a $380 pot.If you have SB on a straight, and BB w/ AQc and higher flush, your odds of winning this hand is only 14%.If you have SB on a straight, and BB w/ AKc and higher flush, your odds of winning this hand is only 16%.If you have SB on a set, and BB w/ AQc and higher flush, your odds of winning this hand is only 16%.My point is, I don't think the odds are in your favor in a 3 way pot. From the side pot perspective, your still not in good shape.I'd fold, but I'm a puss with these hands.Guys look at stack sizes. SB is almost irrelevant in this hand. We can nearly double through BB even if SB wins the main pot. SB could have a flush draw but 2 clubs give us the straight flush. We have a minimum of 8 clean outs against SB. BB is usually on an overpair here. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Guys look at stack sizes. SB is almost irrelevant in this hand. We can nearly double through BB even if SB wins the main pot. SB could have a flush draw but 2 clubs give us the straight flush. We have a minimum of 8 clean outs against SB. BB is usually on an overpair here.But, if OP had BB on a higher flush, it's a no brainer fold. I would agree about the overpair, especially with the bet.I always get screwed up with multiway all-in pots and it's hard for me to calculate in these situations. I would have read it as slightly greater than even money on the BB push. Even with the BB on an overpair, is this a call? I would lean towards no. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Even with the BB on an overpair, is this a call? I would lean towards no.Yes it is. At the very very worst I have us at appx 52% to win against an overpair. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yes it is. At the very very worst I have us at appx 52% to win against an overpair.You're assuming no Flush Draw for the Villan - overpair only. If we go by our read, we're dead to a Straight Flush Draw. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 You're assuming no Flush Draw for the Villan - overpair only. If we go by our read, we're dead to a Straight Flush Draw.i'm assuming no flush draw for BB and this is probably the case with his action > 95% of the time. i don't care about the SB post flop who may have a flush draw. 13 outs vs an overpair provided I'm putting SB on a flush draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 i'm assuming no flush draw for BB and this is probably the case with his action > 95% of the time. i don't care about the SB post flop who may have a flush draw. 13 outs vs an overpair provided I'm putting SB on a flush draw.I can live with your analysis. Personally, I put him on the Flush Draw more often than just an overpair. Plus, given the OP's Read (we so often tell posters to trust their reads!)... Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Wasp 0 Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I would be shoving this flop all day however as played you have a clear fold on the turn as your equity has now evaporated and you have been priced out. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Flop:8c 9c 5dSB checks, BB bets $15, I call, SB moves all in for $20 more. BB calls, I call. Here I'm guessing BB has AK or AQ clubs, and i'm guessing the SB has a made hand with either a set or a straight (since I've noticed that he plays suited connectors for large preflop raises).I don't think this flop action means anything much. These are nothing bets in the pot. The SB could think a small pair is good. The PFR can easily have two overs. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 get all in on the flop...dont over think things at 1/2.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
TraptSteve 0 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Ok, the PF raiser bets 15$ into a 75$ pot - Looks pretty weakThen, the SB reraises allin, 20$ more. This is an interesting situation because you essentially get to see if he has a hand at this point. If he was making a weak lead with a monster the SB's reraise would allow him to isolate with a larger raise... considering you called the BB's 15$ bet. It is clear the BB doesn't have a strong or made hand yet, so you should be taking the lead here. I probably raise 60 more to:A. Build a side pot when you're the favoriteB. Possibly set yourself up for a freecard if the turn bricks C. Get yourself heads up w/ the SB.I agree the BB's play was stupid, but you allowed it to happen by not seizing control of the hand on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
TwoFourOffsuit 0 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 What Sea Wasp and Jordan said. You have the straight flush overdraw; even on a straight draw, he can only tie you at best, and in the unlikely event he has a flush draw with top kicker, he's DOA if you nail the straight flush. Shove on the flop, end the hand right there and don't give the BB a chance to be a LAG and price you out. Link to post Share on other sites
Footballguru 0 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 RAISE FLOP!!! you have OESD, I always play it as a set, It is super strong draw and a favorite over most hands I beleive! Link to post Share on other sites
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