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#41 mjd

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 05:18 PM

View PostTheCinciKid, on Saturday, February 3rd, 2007, 6:17 AM, said:

Yeah live can be kinda boring if you're used to mulit-tabling online. Especially at a low limit like 2/4. It can definitely be crushed though if you know what you're doing and bring enough money, you can actually make a decent hourly rate (maybe $12/hr) as low as 4/8.
And, I've noticed that many of the live low-limit tables are up to 10% max $4 PLUS $1 for jackpot. So, be careful with your table/casino selection at these limits.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 10:35 AM

View PostThreeBet, on Monday, February 5th, 2007, 8:13 PM, said:

Good topic/thread overall .... there's no question that NL is on the way up and L is on the way down. In the old days, one was supposed to learn at Limit and move from there if they want ... now everyone goes straight to NL, thus there's more money to be made there. Limit will always survive, just not as goot as before.
While you don't say what you mean by "on the way up" I think comparing NL to L is hardly something where there's "no question". If you mean it's easier to make money at NL than L I'd argue with you. A few years ago LHE online was super soft. The game has certainly tightened up a lot pre-flop but the players aren't much better (arguable even worse on average) post flop. It's certainly remains beatable but many low limit games are beatable only for small amounts because the game is rocky in general. With the rise of SH LHE though I'd say it's easier to win at SH LHE than it is to win at comparable small stake NL. The small stakes NL in my experience has also tightened up quite a bit pre-flop at least. I guess that Smash-strat for example would not work at all at most $25 or $50 NL tables where in the past it might have worked well. If you mean simply in terms of popularity then yes, I'd agree that NLHE is clearly the most popular game and probably also the game that most new players start with. Though a good deal of recreational players prefer limit in the casino because they "risk losing less".

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 01:05 PM

Yup, popularity is what I meant ... majority new players going to NL, and many Limit players moving to the new money (and potentially less swings if played conservatively) means less Limit games spread. The majority of my time I play 20/40 kill live, but I've started playing a lot more NL lately (2/5 & 3/6) to make sure I leave my options open. Defintely more money on the table and way bigger average pots at 20/40.Interesting question .... Who, on average, do you all think will have more success at switching games, a Limit player to NL, or the other way around?

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 02:11 PM

View PostThreeBet, on Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 2:05 PM, said:

Yup, popularity is what I meant ... majority new players going to NL, and many Limit players moving to the new money (and potentially less swings if played conservatively) means less Limit games spread. The majority of my time I play 20/40 kill live, but I've started playing a lot more NL lately (2/5 & 3/6) to make sure I leave my options open. Defintely more money on the table and way bigger average pots at 20/40.Interesting question .... Who, on average, do you all think will have more success at switching games, a Limit player to NL, or the other way around?
Ive been thinking about this question alot and Im still not completely sure. I think there are more examples of limit players becoming NL players, but I think most of that has to do with the progression of poker since the boom and since most NL players dont feel a need to learn limit.Im probably being biased since Im a limit player, but I think its easier to go from LHE to NL. I think that the TAG style that is learned and needed in LHE is probably the best way too start playing every other game.It would be nice to hear from players who have had success in both game.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 02:48 PM

I've had this discussion with a few guys and you can really get some strong opinions on both sides of the fence. I think the biggest difference is from a psychological perspective in that I think Limit players have way more respect towards NL, than NL players have towards Limit. This lack of respect (no fold'em hold'em, suck outs, can't protect your hand etc) imo, clouds their judgement and makes it difficult to play Limit. They are different games (duh!) and if you don't have your head around that before you sit down and play Limit then you're hooped. Maybe respect isn't the right word .... hopefully I'm making a little sense!

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 04:18 PM

View PostThreeBet, on Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 3:48 PM, said:

I've had this discussion with a few guys and you can really get some strong opinions on both sides of the fence. I think the biggest difference is from a psychological perspective in that I think Limit players have way more respect towards NL, than NL players have towards Limit. This lack of respect (no fold'em hold'em, suck outs, can't protect your hand etc) imo, clouds their judgement and makes it difficult to play Limit. They are different games (duh!) and if you don't have your head around that before you sit down and play Limit then you're hooped. Maybe respect isn't the right word .... hopefully I'm making a little sense!
I know what you mean. Maybe we are both being unfair to NL players but LHE players seem to be more open to learn any new game with an open mind.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 07:27 PM

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Interesting question .... Who, on average, do you all think will have more success at switching games, a Limit player to NL, or the other way around?
The OP (me) is a NL player trying to learn limit for the first time. I've only been playing poker for a year, but I've played a hell of a lot of poker in the last 12 months. In my first year of poker I'm up about 3k, and I think thats something to be proud of, but almost all of my profits though are from NL MTTs and SnGs. I'm pretty much breakeven in cash games. I know I need to develope my cash game skills if I ever want to be able to call myself a good poker player. I really want to learn LHE from inside out and become a strong player. It seems to me that if a person is a very strong limit player it wouldnt be hard for them to transition to NL cash games. In fact I think it could be argued that starting with limit, or at least devoting yourself to limit for a period of time so you can learn to play it properly, might be necessary for anybody that wants to reach their maximum potential in NL. But it all come down to profitibility...hence the reason for this thread. Thanks for the replies...I plan to be in this forum more often.
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 03:23 PM

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I think the biggest difference is from a psychological perspective in that I think Limit players have way more respect towards NL, than NL players have towards Limit. This lack of respect (no fold'em hold'em, suck outs, can't protect your hand etc) imo, clouds their judgement and makes it difficult to play Limit. They are different games (duh!) and if you don't have your head around that before you sit down and play Limit then you're hooped. Maybe respect isn't the right word .... hopefully I'm making a little sense!
Dont mean to perpetuate stereotypes, but every single serious no limit player ive met in real life is kind of an *** clown. Mouth-breathing, shade-wearing, puts their hat on sideways with the stickers still on, challenge you to a heads up match if you look at them the wrong way - douchebaggery.Serious limit players tend to be nerdy or on a field trip from an old folks home.And given those broad generalizations, we can see why limit players appear to be more respectful of the game - they're mostly just less confrontational.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:26 PM

View PostAbbaddabba, on Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 3:23 PM, said:

Dont mean to perpetuate stereotypes, but every single serious no limit player ive met in real life is kind of an *** clown. Mouth-breathing, shade-wearing, puts their hat on sideways with the stickers still on, challenge you to a heads up match if you look at them the wrong way - douchebaggery.Serious limit players tend to be nerdy or on a field trip from an old folks home.And given those broad generalizations, we can see why limit players appear to be more respectful of the game - they're mostly just less confrontational.
I don't know about nerdy ... howza about more mature? I say that as an add on to what you said as I don't neccessarily agree ... I've played with a lot of mature/respectful people at NL. I know what you're saying about young guys as there's a ton of 'em and they all play NL.As far as confrontational goes ... what's said above is correct but, a huge part of it, imo, is that with NL your entire stack is at risk every hand you play versus Limit is "just another bet". As a result NL is more stressful causing the confrontational aspect you speak of. Generally, Limit tables are a lot more fun to play,imo, as everyone seems to be more relaxed and sociable.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 05:48 PM

Being a senior citizen is about as mature as it gets!

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 10:54 AM

View PostAbbaddabba, on Monday, February 12th, 2007, 5:48 PM, said:

Being a senior citizen is about as mature as it gets!
That's a pretty big brush you're painting with ... the 20/40 kill game I play has all sorts and I'd be one of 'em!




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