Lets Have Our Own Bad Beat Section

[BudBundy 0]

I deposited on Safebet poker for their 1000$ bonus 3 days ago and since then i am punching my desk, cursing, whining, swearing more than i had in my life. (I know I should stop being in love with slowplaying nut flush but its amazing how people like to do stupid things when its checked to them)Below there is a summary of my last 3 days : CryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$19 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $206UTG+1: $16.50MP1: $109.50MP2: $83.50Hero: $35.50CO: $89.50Button: $90SB: $132.25BB: $49.75Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with A 4 3 A 4 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, CO calls, 3 folds.Flop: K 5 Q ($8.5, 2 players)Hero bets $8.5, CO calls.Turn: 6 ($25.5, 2 players)Hero is all-in $23.5, CO calls.River: K ($72.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $72.5)Results:Final pot: $72.5Hero shows Ad 4d 3s AsCO shows 5h 9d 5c 8sCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.15/$0.2510 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $23UTG+1: $32.80UTG+2: $59.47MP1: $13.70MP2: $67.47MP3: $36.60CO: $52.95Button: $19.80SB: $33.25BB: $25Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with 6 7 A 3 Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.15, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.Flop: 8 4 7 ($5.9, 5 players)BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.Turn: K ($5.9, 5 players)BB checks, Hero bets $4.5, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds.River: 9 ($14.9, 2 players)Hero bets $6, UTG+2 raises to $12, Hero raises all-in $17.35, UTG+2 calls.Results:Final pot: $49.6Hero shows 6h 7d Ah 3dUTG+2 shows Jh Kd Th KcCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.15/$0.258 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $12.80UTG+1: $21.15MP1: $24.35MP2: $9.22Hero: $31.14Button: $34.06SB: $23.75BB: $11.75Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with 8 8 7 Q 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: 8 T T ($1.25, 5 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.25, Button calls, SB calls, 2 folds.Turn: 7 ($5, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $5, Button calls, SB folds.River: 4 ($15, 2 players)Hero bets $7, Button calls.Results:Final pot: $29Hero shows 8s 8h 7h QsButton shows 4h Jc Qd TdCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$110 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $50.50UTG+1: $63.25UTG+2: $53.13MP1: $34.50Hero: $40MP3: $115CO: $39.25Button: $34SB: $42.25BB: $160.25Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with 7 A Q 2 UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1, folds, Hero (poster) checks, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.Flop: 3 T 4 ($7, 7 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.Turn: 9 ($7, 7 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $1, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, 3 folds.River: 6 ($10, 3 players)UTG+2 bets $1, Hero raises to $10, Button raises all-in $32, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.Results:Final pot: $75Button shows Ts 8d 9c 7dHero shows 7h Ad Qd 2cCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.15/$0.258 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $8.70UTG+1: $13.50MP1: $19.91MP2: $34.95Hero: $50.70Button: $5.12SB: $15.95BB: $24.10Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with T K A J UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.4, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.Flop: K 6 5 ($4.6, 3 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4.6, BB raises to $18.4, UTG+1 calls all-in $12.1, Hero calls.Turn: Q ($53.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $40.9, Sidepot 1: $12.6)BB is all-in $4.3, Hero calls.River: 7 ($62.1, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $40.9, Sidepot 1: $21.2)Results:Final pot: $62.1BB shows 8c Kc 9d 6dUTG+1 shows Qd 9s 7s 8dHero shows Tc Kh Ad JdCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $17.35UTG+1: $14.55Hero: $49.50MP2: $7.75CO: $29.80Button: $118.05SB: $49.50BB: $79.50Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with J A 9 T UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: 4 9 9 ($3, 6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.5, 2 folds, SB raises to $11, 2 folds, Hero raises to $39, SB raises all-in $49, Hero calls.Turn: 5 ($101, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $101)River: 3 ($101, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $101)Results:Final pot: $101SB shows 2c 9h Qs 4sHero shows Jc Ah 9c TcCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.15/$0.258 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $10UTG+1: $18.65MP1: $19.80MP2: $42.25CO: $38.65Button: $55.52Hero: $24.69BB: $25.90Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with J 4 J 4 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: 4 3 8 ($3.5, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero raises all-in $23.19, BB calls.Turn: A ($49.88, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.88)River: 6 ($49.88, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.88)Results:Final pot: $49.88Hero shows Jd 4h Jh 4dBB shows 2h Ac As JsI know most of there happen almost everyday but all these and more happened in 3 days. I was tilting very easily lately so i had to get it out somewhere..Take a look when you are bored.

[Zach6668 513]

Losing to two straight flushes is pretty gay, the rest is pretty standard though.Keep pluggin away and getting your money in good.

[BudBundy 0]

Yeah i hit straight flush from time to time as well. When i hit noone has nut flush, board doesn't pair , if it does noone has a boat and i win the blinds.******Looking at the hands again when i am calmer i noticed that i played too many pots out of position. And a few bad calls and pushes.But Straight flushes are still gay!

[BudBundy 0]

Since we can't delete this thread now i will keep on using itCryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $58UTG+1: $47.07MP1: $75.42MP2: $18.25CO: $20Hero: $112.06SB: $27.85BB: $29Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 2 Q 8 Q UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, [color:#cc0000]MP1 raises to $1.5[/color], MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: 8 5 8 ($10.5, 7 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $10.5[/color], SB calls, 5 folds.Turn: K ($31.5, 2 players)SB checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $16.5[/color], [color:#cc0000]SB calls all-in $15.85[/color].Uncalled bets: $0.65 returned to Hero. River: 9 ($63.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.2)Results:Final pot: $63.2Hero shows 2 Q 8 Q:diamond:SB shows 6 7 2 2 :diamond:I have seen SB chasing straight or flush against aggression on a paired board before. I guess he has a point

[antistuff 0]

But Straight flushes are still gay!

are you sure about this?

[simo_8ball 1]

Ya, straight flushes are ghey. Please critique UTG's and CO's plays.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $77.10UTG+1: $19.85CO: $59Button: $49.25Hero: $43.20BB: $34.35Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T J A Q UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $7.5, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls.Flop: A 8 T ($23, 3 players)Hero bets $23, UTG raises all-in $69.6, CO calls all-in $51.5, Hero calls all-in $12.7.Uncalled bets: $18.1 returned to UTG.Turn: T ($145.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $130.1, Sidepot 1: $31.6)River: 7 ($145.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $130.1, Sidepot 1: $31.6)Results:Final pot: $145.9Hero showed T J A Q UTG showed K Q K 2 CO showed 9 9 Q J

[simo_8ball 1]

Goddamnit. 7th in the $30 tourney. KKQQ vs AAJJ killed me off, and then final hand:Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $250/$5007 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $1329UTG+1: $29736MP1: $23420CO: $5907Button: $30870SB: $8651BB: $29087Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG with Q J 5 9 Hero raises all-in $1329, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.Flop: Q 3 8 ($3408, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $3408)Turn: K ($3408, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $3408)River: 4 ($3408, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $3408)Results:Final pot: $3408Button showed Q 3 8 7 :spade:Hero showed Q J 5 9 The standard of play was worse than in $5 NLHE sitngos.

[BudBundy 0]

Ya, straight flushes are ghey. Please critique UTG's and CO's plays.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $77.10UTG+1: $19.85CO: $59Button: $49.25Hero: $43.20BB: $34.35Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T J A Q UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $7.5, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls.Flop: A 8 T ($23, 3 players)Hero bets $23, UTG raises all-in $69.6, CO calls all-in $51.5, Hero calls all-in $12.7.Uncalled bets: $18.1 returned to UTG.Turn: T ($145.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $130.1, Sidepot 1: $31.6)River: 7 ($145.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $130.1, Sidepot 1: $31.6)Results:Final pot: $145.9Hero showed T J A Q UTG showed K Q K 2 CO showed 9 9 Q J

UTG is ghey.I would probably push aswell with 2 in the pot if i was CO. He hit straight flush how can you not call that!!!????1111oneoneelevenelevenBut seriously i would call. You know i like donkish calls.

[BudBundy 0]

Don't ever think i gave up whinning!!CryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$19 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $214.50UTG+1: $72.25MP1: $293.20MP2: $38MP3: $79.37CO: $18Button: $273.98Hero: $57.42BB: $140.23Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with T T 9 3 3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.Flop: T 5 6 ($3, 3 players)Hero bets $3, BB raises to $12, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $42, BB raises to $132, Hero calls all-in $17.42.Uncalled bets: $72.58 returned to BB.Turn: 3 ($121.84, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $121.84)River: 6 ($121.84, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $121.84)Results:Final pot: $121.84----- SHOW DOWN -----Gavin_K: shows [9h 6h 8c 6d] (Four of a kind, Sixes, Ten high)bundy2: shows [Td Tc 9s 3s] (A Full House, Tens full of Sixes)Gavin_K collected $112.84 from Main pot

[simo_8ball 1]

It doesn't matter that he had a gutshot or a backdoor flush draw, I'm guessing it's the fact that he hit the one remaining 6 that grinds most.

[BudBundy 0]

I don't want to open a new thread so i will hijack this ridiculously meaningless thread of mine*******I am thinking about moving up to $100 PLO. Now i have around 30 buy ins for that level but i have always been a bankroll nit. I don't feel comfortable playing in a limit if i don't have at least 50 buy-ins. That's why i came up with an idea. Now the minimal bankroll requirement for any NL or PL game is 20 buy-ins yeah?I will play $100 PLO for full time. If i drop a few buy-ins and have only 20 buy-ins left , i will move down to $50 PLO and $25 PLO. I will grind it up back to lets say 25 buyins for 100$ PLO. Then i will move up and take another shot. It goes on like this untill i don't drop below 20 buy-ins anymore.I have been playing $100PLO occasionally and posted a few hands here , mostly with a short buy in tho , and i observed that it's very beatable. I am sure i can beat that game but i still make some silly calls preflop and silly bets on river. They can do damage well in $100 PLO.So how does the idea sound?How do you guys manage moving up in limits?

[Whiskey16 1]

I don't want to open a new thread so i will hijack this ridiculously meaningless thread of mine*******I am thinking about moving up to $100 PLO. Now i have around 30 buy ins for that level but i have always been a bankroll nit. I don't feel comfortable playing in a limit if i don't have at least 50 buy-ins. That's why i came up with an idea. Now the minimal bankroll requirement for any NL or PL game is 20 buy-ins yeah?I will play $100 PLO for full time. If i drop a few buy-ins and have only 20 buy-ins left , i will move down to $50 PLO and $25 PLO. I will grind it up back to lets say 25 buyins for 100$ PLO. Then i will move up and take another shot. It goes on like this untill i don't drop below 20 buy-ins anymore.I have been playing $100PLO occasionally and posted a few hands here , mostly with a short buy in tho , and i observed that it's very beatable. I am sure i can beat that game but i still make some silly calls preflop and silly bets on river. They can do damage well in $100 PLO.So how does the idea sound?How do you guys manage moving up in limits?

If you're not using Poker for your primary source of income, 50 buy-ins is pretty extreme. I don't know if you have to take into account more variance in PLO than in NLHE, but for a good player, 20 buy-ins should be enough.Here's a very basic structure that was posted on Pocket Fives a while back.http://www.pocketfives.com/5C57520F-8A89-4...D240CB3E59.aspx

[BudBundy 0]

If you're not using Poker for your primary source of income, 50 buy-ins is pretty extreme. I don't know if you have to take into account more variance in PLO than in NLHE, but for a good player, 20 buy-ins should be enough.Here's a very basic structure that was posted on Pocket Fives a while back.http://www.pocketfives.com/5C57520F-8A89-4...D240CB3E59.aspx

Although it is not my primary source of income i still care a lot about my poker income. I have built this from Party's free 50$ and i enjoy spending the money i won from Poker.Thanks a lot for the link. I am reading it now.

[Whiskey16 1]

Although it is not my primary source of income i still care a lot about my poker income. I have built this from Party's free 50$ and i enjoy spending the money i won from Poker.Thanks a lot for the link. I am reading it now.

I didn't say we all don't like the extra money affords us, and I wasn't suggesting you go plop 1/2 your roll on the table. I was just suggesting that you were taking an awfully conservative approach to bankroll management based on someone doing it for extra income.I could see someone moving back down stakes if they hit 10-15 buy-ins at the level they are currently playing, but for someone doing it for extra income, if you feel comfortable with your game, and if you think your skill level will transfer well to the next level, then I don't think you need to hold 50 buy-ins, which is a number that more people will use who fully depend on Poker for their livelihood, so they have a bigger cushion.

[BudBundy 0]

I didn't say we all don't like the extra money affords us, and I wasn't suggesting you go plop 1/2 your roll on the table. I was just suggesting that you were taking an awfully conservative approach to bankroll management based on someone doing it for extra income.I could see someone moving back down stakes if they hit 10-15 buy-ins at the level they are currently playing, but for someone doing it for extra income, if you feel comfortable with your game, and if you think your skill level will transfer well to the next level, then I don't think you need to hold 50 buy-ins, which is a number that more people will use who fully depend on Poker for their livelihood, so they have a bigger cushion.

I see what you mean. This gave me courage tho. Cheers.Do you play Omaha primarily?

[Whiskey16 1]

I see what you mean. This gave me courage tho. Cheers.Do you play Omaha primarily?

No, I switch between NLHE and PLO. Depends on my mood. I've been playing more live lately, and found some soft games where people are doing a round of PLO and a round of NLHE, and most have no idea when it comes to Omaha fundamentals, so it's nice.I think my basics are pretty good, but I definitely need some work on the advanced concepts.

[BudBundy 0]

No, I switch between NLHE and PLO. Depends on my mood. I've been playing more live lately, and found some soft games where people are doing a round of PLO and a round of NLHE, and most have no idea when it comes to Omaha fundamentals, so it's nice.I think my basics are pretty good, but I definitely need some work on the advanced concepts.

What limits are you playing if you don't mind me asking?

[Whiskey16 1]

What limits are you playing if you don't mind me asking?

Live is all 1/2. Online I was mostly playing .50/1 and 1/2, but I took all my money off last year for a few trips so I'm starting over with SNGs mostly right now, and I'll switch back into cash games when I can afford $50 and $100 NL or PL games.