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#1 Pancake407

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 03:23 PM

Pancake is dealt K icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif in MP1

Pre-flop:
2 folds, Pancake raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls

Flop: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif
BB checks, Pancake bets, 2 folds, BB calls

Turn: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif
BB checks, Pancake checks

River: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif
BB bets, Pancake folds

Standard, I hope.
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#2 Zach6668

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 03:27 PM

I'm not crazy about betting into 3 others on the flop. I generally c-bet way too much, I think, and I've been trying to cut down my c-betting into more than 2 players.

As played, it is standard from the turn on, including pf, obv.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 06:24 PM

I'd think that board sufficiently missed enough to warrant a bet with a 8 SB pot.

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 11:10 AM

Yeah pretty standard, that hand played itself in my mind.

The continuation bet could be questionable depending on your image/stack and so on, but that looks like a textbook play.
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Posted 25 January 2007 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (RiscaRod @ Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah pretty standard, that hand played itself in my mind.

The continuation bet could be questionable depending on your image/stack and so on, but that looks like a textbook play.



you might want to read hands more closely before opining.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 02:50 PM

I like betting here. The pot's not tiny, and we can't call a turn bet. Bet the flop, check with air on the turn, and we added a few ways to win the pot, or get to showdown cheaper.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 06:32 AM

i dont think you should bet that flop.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE (antistuff @ Monday, January 29th, 2007, 6:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i dont think you should bet that flop.


why not ?

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 01:25 AM

I bet this flop pretty much every time. I might bet the turn also depending on the villain. There are many players that will peel the flop with air and fold the turn.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 01:34 AM

QUOTE (antistuff @ Monday, January 29th, 2007, 6:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i dont think you should bet that flop.


I agree. If I get raised i'm folding to a small bet. If the flop brought backdoor flush then I could understand.

Fredo needs runners to stay alive here

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 02:52 AM

QUOTE (Eric Smith @ Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 1:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree. If I get raised i'm folding to a small bet. If the flop brought backdoor flush then I could understand.

limit dude, limit.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 03:30 AM

QUOTE (antistuff @ Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 2:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
limit dude, limit.


Last time I played limit there were small bets. It's 1/2 the BB bubble_duh.gif

Fredo needs runners to stay alive here

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (Eric Smith @ Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 4:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree. If I get raised i'm folding to a small bet. If the flop brought backdoor flush then I could understand.


You'd fold getting at least 11-1 on your money?

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 12:45 AM

QUOTE (TheCinciKid @ Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 1:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I might bet the turn also depending on the villain.


i was wondering if anybody was going to say this. HU i b/f these a lot and take a free showdown UI if I can.
I'm not sure I take free cards on the turn enough in position, though.

anybody else bet the turn here HU?
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 06:03 AM

QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Wednesday, January 31st, 2007, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was wondering if anybody was going to say this. HU i b/f these a lot and take a free showdown UI if I can.
I'm not sure I take free cards on the turn enough in position, though.

anybody else bet the turn here HU?


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Posted 31 January 2007 - 08:22 AM

The thing about the bet turn/check river UI line is that it implies that we have showdown value UI. I don't consider K-high to be showdown worthy in most spots. In hands like that, I just check the turn, and check or fold the river UI.

As a note on betting the flop: If you do bet the flop, you have to call one raise, and fold the turn UI.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE (MightyLouse @ Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 2:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You'd fold getting at least 11-1 on your money?


Hitting a pair on the turn won't always win you the pot. Considering them as partial outs, you only have about two and a half.

You need to be better than 11 to 1 to make the call.

Fredo needs runners to stay alive here

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 08:55 AM

QUOTE (Eric Smith @ Wednesday, January 31st, 2007, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hitting a pair on the turn won't always win you the pot. Considering them as partial outs, you only have about two and a half.

You need to be better than 11 to 1 to make the call.

If you are bet folding the flop, you might as well check/fold it. You are RARELY ahead, and you will almost never fold 3 opponents.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:56 PM

I'm starting to fade to the no-bet flop camp.

More so based on the evolution of online poker.
More tricky/aggressive players. Less calls with nothing on the flop.

I think.




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