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[bdc30]

Any value in betting this river here? I was dreading a c/r.

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3 9 A ($14, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls.

Turn: A ($20, 2 players)
BB checks,Hero bets $6, BB calls.

River: 2 ($32, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $32

[Moneyball16]

You must be running bad. This is an easy bet.

[bdc30]

You must be running bad. This is an easy bet.

This give you any indication of how I'm running lately?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with [Ks] [Kh]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: [8c] [2s] [6s] ($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero calls.

Turn: [Qs] ($29, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls.

River: [3c] ($41, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $53
Button Shows 8d 3d
Hero mucks Ks Kh

[Eric Smith]

yeh you missed that river bet. Also, I think you are more apt to be check raised on the turn than on the river. I think the worse case scenario is that he smooth calls you with a better ace.

[antistuff]

what set i dont see a set

i dont think so. what are you going to get called with that you beat? if he sucks bad enough that you know he will call something like $10 on the river with a 9 or a pocket pair then its ok, but thats a read thing, only you could know that.

[bdc30]

what set i dont see a set

i dont think so. what are you going to get called with that you beat? if he sucks bad enough that you know he will call something like $10 on the river with a 9 or a pocket pair then its ok, but thats a read thing, only you could know that.

Haha, I knew someone would point that out..I just used it cuz it rhymed.

And my thinking on the river was exactly that. What calls me here? I can't bet $10, as it's limit, so I thought not enough hands that I beat call, but any other Ace raises.

[TwoFourOffsuit]

As a donk who says some dumb things even I have to say that's an easy bet on the river, even with the risk he's holding an ace with top kicker. But if I had to make a guess, he was betting on a flush draw and missed.

[Moneyball16]

I think we get called by a bunch of hands that are worse. Normally an Ace would have spoken up earlier, since we have 2 clubs its more unlikely someone else has a flush draw and since we opened on the button preflop it doesnt automatically mean that we have an Ace or a big pair in the eyes of our opponent. Also since the BB just called our button open it also makes it more unlikely that he doesnt have some of the bigger aces.

[antistuff]

Haha, I knew someone would point that out..I just used it cuz it rhymed.

And my thinking on the river was exactly that. What calls me here? I can't bet $10, as it's limit, so I thought not enough hands that I beat call, but any other Ace raises.

for some reason i thought you had a brain fart and posted a pot limit holdem hand in the limit forum. i guess im the one who needs the malox.

limit that river is a bet call all day long. i can see a line of reasoning if he was waiting until the turn but then when the second ace hit he didn't want to scare you away etc... but unless you are the three-barrel-spew-master-king most players will and should be checkraising that flop with an ace in thier hand.

[antistuff]

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game

now im confused.

[bdc30]

now im confused.

Must be a converter issue. I can assure you, it was limit. op edited

[iggymcfly]

This give you any indication of how bad I'm playing lately?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with [Ks] [Kh]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: [8c] [2s] [6s] ($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero calls.

Turn: [Qs] ($29, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls.

River: [3c] ($41, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $53
Button Shows 8d 3d
Hero mucks Ks Kh

No offense, but I think you're past the stage where you're just getting bad cards, and you're really letting it affect your game. The KK's an easy three-bet if you're not waiting to C/R the turn, and the initial hand posted is an easy bet on the river. Just play good aggressive poker and the results will come.

[Zach6668]

Yeah, this thread has pretty much been covered...

Easy river bet there. You hear from an ace long before, so you are almost ahead like 99% of the time there, and you will get called by pocket pairs a ton too, since they won't give you credit for the ace.

Your running bad hand is ridiculous. 3-bet the flop, OR, c/r the turn. Or do both, if you are feelin fancy, and the guy is aggro.

- Zach

[bdc30]

No offense, but I think you're past the stage where you're just getting bad cards, and you're really letting it affect your game. The KK's an easy three-bet if you're not waiting to C/R the turn, and the initial hand posted is an easy bet on the river. Just play good aggressive poker and the results will come.

I need to read that post over and over. 6-max really messes with my head.
After the KK hand I took a break for a bit...I know I shoulda kept the heat on there
but was confused by the flop raise. I'm pretty new on Absolute, and have little to no
data on anyone, so without reads it's a little harder to know what he's doing with that
raise there....It'll come with time.

[Bubba83]

3/6 at AP is 2/3 blind structure? Interesting.

[bdc30]

3/6 at AP is 2/3 blind structure? Interesting.

Yes, I thought so as well. To adjust, I'm calling with a lot wider range from the SB.
Is this correct?

[Bubba83]

Unraised yes it's correct. If it's raised though, I hardly widen my range at all. We still have worst position post-flop. Infact the reason I was interested in the 2/3 blind structure at all is that I would get more calls from the SB when I raise in position and that makes me more money.

[TheCinciKid]

Haven't read replies...

1) You don't have a set, you have trips. There's a big difference b/c sets are much stronger hands than trip Aces with weak kicker.

2) I think this is definitely a value bet. If you get check/raised you have to suck it up and call too probably. Villain is going to call you with a lot of hands you can beat b/c he's going to assume that with two Aces out there you don't have one. Plus, he's raising you on the turn if he's got the case Ace. I think you're good here a very large percentage of the time and need to bet.

[mrdannyg]

This give you any indication of how I'm running lately?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with [Ks] [Kh]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: [8c] [2s] [6s] ($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero calls.

Turn: [Qs] ($29, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls.

River: [3c] ($41, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $53
Button Shows 8d 3d
Hero mucks Ks Kh

as iggy says, this is far more questionable. going for the c/r here should only be done occasionally, so it may have been read-specific. i know its stuff like that i often end up doing too much, in hopes of juicing extra half-bets when i'm running bad though, so be cautious.

now im confused.

in some places, they actually call limit "pot limit." i still haven't figured out what they call pot limit

3/6 at AP is 2/3 blind structure? Interesting.

it is and it is.
played a couple hours in the one open game last night, and it was one of the weakest games i've seen in a while. table was 40+ VPIP most of the time, mostly passives, though a couple guys over 30/20, at a 9-handed game.

[mrdannyg]

as for this hand, i can understand checking behind if the ace came on the turn. on the river though, you'd pretty much have heard from any hand beating you earlier, PLUS its a card that will garner frustration-calls from lots of missed flush draws, counterfeited pairs, etc.

while it seems like nothing calls you unless ahead here, the opposite is really more important here. its simply unlikely you would not have heard from a beat hand by now, and even decent players will call this river with a worse hand.

do you use the same sn on AP?