Jump to content


early tournament hand - options:


  • Please log in to reply
7 replies to this topic

#1 Comatose_Soul

Comatose_Soul

    Poker Forum Regular

  • Members
  • 215 posts

Posted 03 April 2005 - 03:20 PM

:) Early in a tournament (205 left out of ~250) :D Top 2 spots pay. :) Blinds increase every 30 minutes.Thoughts on this hand, and alternative ways to play it. IMHO I was being way too loose for the tourney structure...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converterSB (t715)BB (t2245)UTG (t1815)Hero (t1340)MP1 (t1245)MP2 (t2620)CO (t2605)Button (t925)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ad, Qc. 1 fold.Flop: (t165) Qh, 2d, 7h (2 players)Hero bets t150, CO calls t980.Turn: (t2725) 6h (2 players)River: (t2725) As (2 players)Final Pot: t2725

#2 Vade

Vade

    Forum Shopkeeper

  • Members
  • 3,864 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Milwaukee, WI
  • Interests:Poker, Sports, Movies

Posted 03 April 2005 - 03:24 PM

Well, the min raise is one of my least favorite plays in pokerOn the flop, it was probably a bit loose to raise allin with TPTK, but you were making a move instead of calling a move, which is goodCO calling your min raise does make a set of 2's or 7's possible, but not ALL that likelyWas this an FPP tourney? or a WSOP sat? I think your play is fine here, because 99.9% of the people won't get paid
Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died.

#3 Comatose_Soul

Comatose_Soul

    Poker Forum Regular

  • Members
  • 215 posts

Posted 03 April 2005 - 04:03 PM

The Sunday 4k Fpp for the WSoP. Won a 40 Fpp to get in.I'll post the results of the hand in a few hours.
PS: bivy
FT: bivy

#4 looshle

looshle

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 5,278 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Connecticut

Posted 03 April 2005 - 04:06 PM

I think it's a good move, but I think he hit his flush on the turn.

#5 tskillz187

tskillz187

    Great Tiger, you're next!

  • Members
  • 6,131 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Brockport/Buffalo, NY

Posted 03 April 2005 - 04:44 PM

Once he raises your flop bet you either put him on 77 22 aq qk jq, or pair with flush draw, I personally think the reraise all in is a good move, but I don't have any information on how this guy was playing. Granted it was early in the Tourney, but you cannot let the flush draw see a cheap turn, and I think you have to reraise, given any reraise is going to pot commit you, the All-in is good for making you more money when you are ahead and get called, and making it harder for him to call when he as something like AQ as well. Plus with only two people getting paid, Id make just about all the calculated risks I could in this tourney to try and collect some chips.
Naismith (2:56:11 PM): fuckerflakeoutonmystakingnowmakingmillions

#6 Absolute

Absolute

    The Greatest

  • Members
  • 3,459 posts

Posted 03 April 2005 - 05:12 PM

I wonder how many of my posts in replies to NL hands include the following comment.STOPRAISINGTHEMINIMUMPRE-FLOPIn MTTs you *have* to keep your raises consistent. This means, if it is pre flop and it is limped or folded to you (meaning no extra beta), you need to consistently raise about the same amount.This means raise the same amount with AQo that you would with KK. This makes it almost impossible for good players or stat trackers to give opponents reads on you.If you raise to 100 here, a good player lays down Ax or a small pair. (These being the hands your villian probably held here)You can allow variance given on how many limpers/folders are to you. But there is hardly ever a situation where raising the minimum in NL Holdem is correct (especially so in early position with a hand like AQo)Your play on the flop is interesting.Your lead bet is good. I think his minimum raise is absolutely horrible, but I would be worried about it. Those weasel raises always scare me, but laying down TPTK here for 150 more and a chance to improve is bad.If you just call the raise (with plans to check the turn regardless of what it brings) you still have a little under 1000 chips. With the blinds at 15/30, that's 33ish big bets and room to play.As to looshle's comment, I'm not sure he would push with the nut flush draw when he can see a card for just 150.If you just call his small raise on the flop, it leaves you with

#7 Comatose_Soul

Comatose_Soul

    Poker Forum Regular

  • Members
  • 215 posts

Posted 03 April 2005 - 06:16 PM

Along the lines of what Absolute was saying, I think the worst play I made was the pre-flop min raise. Going back over everything I should have made it 150 (thats pretty standard for me.)As to what Mr. Mysterious had (CO) he was holding:A :D A :) Not sure there was anyway I could have put him on this hand with what I was holding, and how he was betting. Knowing what he had though, I would expect 1 of two things to happen if I had bet out 150 opposed to my weak raise. 1. He raises2. He callsIf he calls, I probably bet the pot (450 or so) when I make TPTK. At that point he has a decision to make (did he just let a low pair sneak in? QQs? etc...) He can fold, or come over the top. And then who knows what.Bottom line...I should have raised more.
PS: bivy
FT: bivy

#8 looshle

looshle

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 5,278 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Connecticut

Posted 03 April 2005 - 06:25 PM

As to looshle's comment, I'm not sure he would push with the nut flush draw when he can see a card for just 150I thought that he was on the flush draw because of the cheap price before the flop. I've been playing tons of limit lately and min raising the flop with a flush draw usually lets me see the next 2 cards for free. If he has a flush draw and just simply flat calls, the OP can make it a hefty price on the turn since he has control of the hand. I was thinking that he was trying to take control of the betting to see if one of his hearts hit and after the OP went all in, he had the odds to chase it.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users