Interesting Live Straddle Pot

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

Havent posted in awhile, but this was a fun hand I played tonight and I would like to get this forums thought b4 I post it over at 2p2.15/30 live: This game was a rock garden as is typical of a main game with 2 must moves feeding it. A regular decided that a round of straddles was in order.The 2nd round we played it was folded to me in CO and I 3-bet w/ Ac4c. A redonkilous weirdo in sb calls 2.5 cold, fishy but not retarded bb calls 2 cold and tight unimaginative straddler calls. flop:Js2h6dchecked to me I bet, sb calls, bb calls, straddle folds.turn:9s sb checks, bb donks, I raise, sb calls 2 cold, bb folds.river:9dsb checks, I check.I have a history with both players that I will probably elaborate on later, but I will say for now that sb is fairly laggy though he doesnt tend to bluff raise on big streets, and will call mulitple bets with any kind of draw. BB is loose and gets spazzy at times.

[Bubba83 0]

Spew alert!I think there are too many people in this pot to try and make a move to be honest.The 3-bet preflop was fine.The flop bet was also fine, as we're hoping it knocks out more than 1 player.I fold on the turn to BB's donk-bet.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

Spew alert!I think there are too many people in this pot to try and make a move to be honest.The 3-bet preflop was fine.The flop bet was also fine, as we're hoping it knocks out more than 1 player.I fold on the turn to BB's donk-bet.

Why?

[Zach6668 513]

Why?

No pair/no draw?I mean, I understand this is a heavily, heavily read-dependent, but in a multiway pot, how often is ace high good here? I can't imagine it is enough.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

No pair/no draw?I mean, I understand this is a heavily, heavily read-dependent, but in a multiway pot, how often is ace high good here? I can't imagine it is enough.

Im not raising because I have the best hand, though Im sure it is a possibility.

[Zach6668 513]

Im not raising because I have the best hand, though Im sure it is a possibility.

How often is BB donk/folding here?I mean, this may have been a tight game, but it's still live.I don't know.Like I said, 100% read-dependent.I mean. He either has a pair, or something liek QTs, Q8s, or something and picked up a nice draw. I doubt he folds anything here.We are ahead of a lot of what he is betting, but we still have to worry about the SB who is a donk, calling two cold here, and it's a real possibility....I'd like to hear your reasons for the play.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

How often is BB donk/folding here?I mean, this may have been a tight game, but it's still live.I don't know.Like I said, 100% read-dependent.I mean. He either has a pair, or something liek QTs, Q8s, or something and picked up a nice draw. I doubt he folds anything here.We are ahead of a lot of what he is betting, but we still have to worry about the SB who is a donk, calling two cold here, and it's a real possibility....I'd like to hear your reasons for the play.

Though this was a tight game , the two opponents I was up against were the reason the game was even worth playing in. This board was extremely dry and BBs turn donk screamed draw. Sb though retarded, would have a hard time coldcalling with anything other than a draw, I believe that whatever either player has at least 1 of them would fold enough of the time so that getting head up with the draw would be profitable. I realize that I am not folding out a J, but I would bet thousands that no one has a J and that neither can call with a lone 6 or 2. Also, with regards to the possiblity of bb having a 9: I believe it would be hard to fold a 9, but there is enough fold equity combined with the likelihood that I am up against a draw to make this a raise. I am checking behind all rivers unless an ace comes fwiw.

[Zach6668 513]

I have no problem with well thought out creativity.I mean, the pot is huge, we really should be doing what we can to win it.

[checkymcfold 0]

if i've decided to make a move, i fire the river to fold some pps and a nut flush draw with a better kicker than ours that might play. the thing is that the villains could assume we're also playing a draw very aggressively on a draw heavy board and might change that line of thinking if we fire the river as well. i do think that in a pot this size, there are indeed hands that beat ours that would fold to a river bet. not many, but enough to give it a go. the other option would be a fold to the donkbet, i think.can you say some more about the styles of the villains and how they respond to specific lines?

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

if i've decided to make a move, i fire the river to fold some pps and a nut flush draw with a better kicker than ours that might play. the thing is that the villains could assume we're also playing a draw very aggressively on a draw heavy board and might change that line of thinking if we fire the river as well. i do think that in a pot this size, there are indeed hands that beat ours that would fold to a river bet. not many, but enough to give it a go. the other option would be a fold to the donkbet, i think.can you say some more about the styles of the villains and how they respond to specific lines?

I agree that I should bet the river most if not all of the time for the reasons that u mentioned though if they call the turn with either a made hand or even the nut flush draw I dont think they are folding for 1 bet on river. Its still worth it though imo. The sb is a major fish who is incredibly loose pf and who is tricky in the wrong spots. BB thinks enough to know how aggressive I am, but he respects my play. He is similarly loose, but makes plays that are highly exploitable, like donking into super-aggressive players to "find out where they are?" Essentially I am taking advantage of this while at the same time assuming that sb would call any and all flops no matter what he held, because he is just that bad. So my quick thinking would allow that if sb has air most of the time and bb is doing either an info or draw donk than my play is to raise. Rarely do situations come up in biggish 3 way pots where u can outplay the fish. This I thought was one of them and I took a shot.

[checkymcfold 0]

I agree that I should bet the river most if not all of the time for the reasons that u mentioned though if they call the turn with either a made hand or even the nut flush draw I dont think they are folding for 1 bet on river. Its still worth it though imo. The sb is a major fish who is incredibly loose pf and who is tricky in the wrong spots. BB thinks enough to know how aggressive I am, but he respects my play. He is similarly loose, but makes plays that are highly exploitable, like donking into super-aggressive players to "find out where they are?" Essentially I am taking advantage of this while at the same time assuming that sb would call any and all flops no matter what he held, because he is just that bad. So my quick thinking would allow that if sb has air most of the time and bb is doing either an info or draw donk than my play is to raise. Rarely do situations come up in biggish 3 way pots where u can outplay the fish. This I thought was one of them and I took a shot.

agreed, and after reading this i think i'd probably check the river too. interesting hand for sure, and i think i like the way you played it. nh.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

agreed, and after reading this i think i'd probably check the river too. interesting hand for sure, and i think i like the way you played it. nh.

Thank You. So anyway sb called 2 cold and bb folded. river came a 9 and c/c. I take it down. Sb showed T8. BB told me tonight that he mucked a small pp.