9 replies to this topic

[jjdylan]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $57.05
UTG+1: $50
CO: $50
Button: $73.90
SB: $64.65
Hero: $46.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J J
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, CO folds, Button raises to $5, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6 6 7 ($15.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: Q ($15.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: Q ($33.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $33.25


What this boils down to is that being OOP sucks. Does anyone play this hand differently?

[DonkSlayer]

Yeah I fold the turn ainec.

[LFD09]

I think you have to bet the flop. You need to find out where you are at. If someone re-raises the flop then you need to decide if they are re-raising with a made hand or a flush draw. If you forget to bet on the flop i think that you have to bet the turn. If nothing else you represent a flush or a big flush draw. But betting the flop is key! It only costs you a little money (you bet) on the flop instead of a lot of money later on in the hand (you having to call a bet).

[Dubey]

personally, I'm folding preflop here most of the time.

[Sefaje]

personally, I'm folding preflop here most of the time.

you dont like stacking one or two guys with overpairs on J82 flop?

what i mean is, calling 10xBB bets is okay when you already have 1 invested and the 3-bettor has your 90bb stack covered. especially if there is probably going to be 3 way action.


and JJ isn't ALWAYS behind preflop here. AK/AQ/TT/99/84 are all things people could be raising/3betting with. especially coming from the button, people will loosen it up from the button. It doesn't take a top-3 hand for a 50NL player to 3-bet in position. and the original raiser, even from UTG+1, doesn't have to have a top-3 hand.

[DrawingDeadInDM]

Yeah I fold the turn ainec.

6 handed? Really?

and JJ isn't ALWAYS behind preflop here. AK/AQ/TT/99/84 are all things people could be raising/3betting with. especially coming from the button, people will loosen it up from the button. It doesn't take a top-3 hand for a 50NL player to 3-bet in position. and the original raiser, even from UTG+1, doesn't have to have a top-3 hand.

This sums up what I was gonna say.

[krup24]

This hand played kinda weird. With the flop being checked, I lead any non ace turn. We are good here quite a bit. Folding the turn is sooooooooooooooo weak, it's at least a call.

[Bubba83]

The fact that Button didn't c-bet in position after two checks on the flop after re-raising preflop is really weird. If he's really that weak to where he isn't c-betting with AQ/AK on the flop, then I'm quite worried when he bets on the turn because I am less inclined to think it's a stab and more inclined to believe he hit the queen or has Ac Kc. The way you played it, I fold the turn. However, I would donk-bet the flop for about $10 most of the time.

[mtdesmoines]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $57.05
UTG+1: $50
CO: $50
Button: $73.90
SB: $64.65
Hero: $46.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J J
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, CO folds, Button raises to $5, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6 6 7 ($15.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: Q ($15.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: Q ($33.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $33.25
What this boils down to is that being OOP sucks. Does anyone play this hand differently?

I think I show it down checked around or go all in and let them decide. Obviously, no one has the Q. Everyone's working with 3 pair, the ugliest holding in holdem.

[Dubey]

you dont like stacking one or two guys with overpairs on J82 flop?

what i mean is, calling 10xBB bets is okay when you already have 1 invested and the 3-bettor has your 90bb stack covered. especially if there is probably going to be 3 way action.
and JJ isn't ALWAYS behind preflop here. AK/AQ/TT/99/84 are all things people could be raising/3betting with. especially coming from the button, people will loosen it up from the button. It doesn't take a top-3 hand for a 50NL player to 3-bet in position. and the original raiser, even from UTG+1, doesn't have to have a top-3 hand.

yeah, I think it's close, but there are two reasons why I would probably fold:

1. You aren't closing the action, you have an UTG player making a strong raise, there is no guarantee he won't come back over the top here.

2. you are out of position for the rest of the hand. Except in rare circumstanes (like what happened on this flop), you won't be able to get value when you are ahead preflop.


If I am closing the action, I call for sure on set value alone, but the risk of UTG still to act behind us probably leans me toward folding. But, again, It's close.