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#1 CobaltBlue

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:38 PM

Bodog 3/6 NLHE (6-handed)

Cobalt $919
MP $729

Cobalt is UTG w/ Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif. I've been playing slightly more LAG lately. Villain is somewhat LAG.

Pre-flop:
Cobalt raises to $20, MP calls, 4 folds

Flop ($49): 3 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif
Cobalt bets $36, MP raises to $85, Cobalt re-raises $239, MP goes all-in for $624, Cobalt ? (call is $433 on a $1,030 pot)
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:45 PM

I don't like the reraise 'for info' there. If you're going to reraise, then I think you're committing some chips and should be prepared to call a shove. Or else you are just spewing.

If you reraise like you did, is he ever going to just call you with a worse hand? He'll either fold, or shove right? So there isn't any value there to that raise.

I would at least call flop raise for sure. Then you can evaluate on the turn and make the decision for your stack there.

But as played, I think obv you are behind unless villian is horrible.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (NoSup4U @ Wednesday, January 17th, 2007, 5:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't like the reraise 'for info' there. If you're going to reraise, then I think you're committing some chips and should be prepared to call a shove. Or else you are just spewing.

If you reraise like you did, is he ever going to just call you with a worse hand? He'll either fold, or shove right? So there isn't any value there to that raise.

I would at least call flop raise for sure. Then you can evaluate on the turn and make the decision for your stack there.

But as played, I think obv you are behind unless villian is horrible.

Hm. Yeah...it wasn't really 'for info' per se. I was re-raising cause I thought I was ahead and wanted to put pressure on a worse overpair or draw. That said, it is kind of an awkward raise size. And, I really think villain can have a big draw or biggish overpair here somewhat frequently, so I need to call, right?
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Thursday, January 18th, 2007, 6:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hm. Yeah...it wasn't really 'for info' per se. I was re-raising cause I thought I was ahead and wanted to put pressure on a worse overpair or draw. That said, it is kind of an awkward raise size. And, I really think villain can have a big draw or biggish overpair here somewhat frequently, so I need to call, right?

I never play these levels so I don't know, but would a higher pocket pair reraise you preflop in a short-handed game, or does this define their hand too well? I would most likely think you're behind to a set here.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:48 PM

Cobalt calls. Villain shows A icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif for nut flush draw, gut shot, and two overs.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Wednesday, January 17th, 2007, 3:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bodog 3/6 NLHE (6-handed)

Cobalt $919
MP $729

Cobalt is UTG w/ Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif. I've been playing slightly more LAG lately. Villain is somewhat LAG.

Pre-flop:
Cobalt raises to $20, MP calls, 4 folds

Flop ($49): 3 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif
Cobalt bets $36, MP raises to $85, Cobalt re-raises $239, MP goes all-in for $624, Cobalt ? (call is $433 on a $1,030 pot)


The raise-re-raise screams 'I'm sitting on an ace-5 straight.' Call at your peril. I'd have folded after the villain's 1st raise. LAG or not, why would he power raise you twice on the flop with nothing, pairing one of those rags, a flush draw or two pair? Even the loosest, most aggro LAG would find that crazy.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:32 AM

QUOTE (TwoFourOffsuit @ Friday, January 19th, 2007, 2:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The raise-re-raise screams 'I'm sitting on an ace-5 straight.' Call at your peril. I'd have folded after the villain's 1st raise. LAG or not, why would he power raise you twice on the flop with nothing, pairing one of those rags, a flush draw or two pair? Even the loosest, most aggro LAG would find that crazy.

24...I mean this constructively, but you've really gotta stop being so weak-tight. You're going to get run over playing like that.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:38 AM

Okay, I assigned my opponent a "fair" range for this level of SHNLHE...


CODE
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.000% 66.67% 03.33% 10 0.50 { TT+, 55, 33-22, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, As6s, A4s, As2s, 7s6s, 64s }
Hand 1: 30.000% 26.67% 03.33% 4 0.50 { QdQh }


So I'm most likely behind here...but the pot's offering me like 2.4-1. That gives me 29% equity with a 30% chance to win. So I guess it's really marginal (calling or folding should produce similar long-term results).
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:46 AM

LAG vs. LAG I probably call here.

I thought the re-raise was a hair too much.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:46 AM

the question that you have to ask yourself is what would he call with preflop that he could play this hard on the flop?

he could have trapped with AA, KK, but unless the rest of the table is excrutiatingly tight (and considering it's Bodog SHNLHE, not very likely), he reraises there to isolate and to protect his hand unless he's an absolute idiot.

even AK I would usually expect a reraise. So we can rule that out I think.

AQ, AJ, AT are more prone to call. JJ & TT is more prone to reraise.

99-22, depending on the opponent, are more prone to call, especially shorthanded. Herein lies the problem.

I don't believe he is on the flush draw, and if he is, it's AQ-AT, and not AK. My guess he has a pocket pair, which makes you wonder if he is now pushing 99-66 thinking you're on overs, or did he hit the set?

My guess is that he has 55, and I would probably fold this. A call wouldn't be particularly horrible, as there are still a range of hands that you are ahead of. If he has 55, cest la vie, reload.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Friday, January 19th, 2007, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, I assigned my opponent a "fair" range for this level of SHNLHE...
CODE
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.000% 66.67% 03.33% 10 0.50 { TT+, 55, 33-22, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, As6s, A4s, As2s, 7s6s, 64s }
Hand 1: 30.000% 26.67% 03.33% 4 0.50 { QdQh }
So I'm most likely behind here...but the pot's offering me like 2.4-1. That gives me 29% equity with a 30% chance to win. So I guess it's really marginal (calling or folding should produce similar long-term results).

Maybe 44 goes in there, too? Probably doesn't change your number much, though.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 08:11 AM

QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Friday, January 19th, 2007, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe 44 goes in there, too? Probably doesn't change your number much, though.


it's a probability, but i don't expect this much pressure from that hand. although you did say he was somewhat LAG, i still don't see him meriting a push. Although that would explain the largish reraise.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Friday, January 19th, 2007, 9:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe 44 goes in there, too? Probably doesn't change your number much, though.

I did consider that, but I know I wouldn't push it that hard in his spot. I was considering big hands and "monster draw" hands that I'd be willing to play similarly in his shoes. Granted, I suppose 44 might actually be more likely than TT.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 06:11 PM

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