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[BeaverStyle]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

CO (t7560)
Button (t4275)
SB (t12297)
BB (t1940)
UTG (t2560)
UTG+1 (t7400)
Hero (t9604)
MP2 (t4590)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A , K .
2 folds, Hero raises to t550, 3 folds, SB calls t450, BB raises to t1940, Hero ?????

Standard isolation against the BB? Just call?

What line do you take w/ position on the sb and the bb being all in?

[tskillz187]

I isolate by pushing here. It is unlikely the SB has AA or KK and you don't want to give him great odds to call with whatever he is holding.

[Alex916F]

I would definitely isolate here, your raise wasnt that big so the range of sb is pretty big and you dont want him hitting something like a single pair to beat you, remember, all you have right now is Ace high, the bb push u could possibly be dominating

[BeaverStyle]

I did isolation push... and was relatively pissed off and surprised to see the SB had smooth-called my pf raise w/ AA... I felt completely outplayed, and I suppose I was, but I think he got really lucky in the fact that the short stack big blind and I were so strong.

I flopped two spades ( Q x x flop ) but obviously bricked the turn/river.

It's strange... I hardly ever get into the position where I have a hand so dominated like AK against AA... yet I'll see people with it and get lucky... I know it's just variance rearing it's ugly head, but it'd be nice to be on the giving end of a cold-deck-bad-beat once in a while, for a SUBSTANTIAL pot...

[vent]I'm done[\vent]

Oh yeah, the sb had QQ.... broccolee.

[tskillz187]

You didn't get outplayed. Sometimes bad plays work out due to luck, not your fault the BB woke up with QQ and you are in perfect isolating position, just happens sometimes. He makes way more money on this hand if he comes over the top of your raise, because you then either come over the top or smooth call. This is much better than him C/R your continuation bet on the flop. Especially if you will come over the top All in PF some of the time.

[X ima splasher X]

This is a sick hand, i fully agree with everything you did. I would have played it the same way

[copernicus]

With your stack I dont like pushing here. Even if youre not dominated, if your A or K is duplicated you drop to 33% in the hand, and while there is some dead money that might make it narrowly +EV to call, youre in solid shape for the 2d hour of a 180. Id wait and see the flop before committing a ton of chips to the hand.

[BeaverStyle]

With your stack I dont like pushing here. Even if youre not dominated, if your A or K is duplicated you drop to 33% in the hand, and while there is some dead money that might make it narrowly +EV to call, youre in solid shape for the 2d hour of a 180. Id wait and see the flop before committing a ton of chips to the hand.

So what if the SB comes over the top for all of my chips? I take it you would fold, correct? Does it depend on reads, or just the fact of his delayed aggression?

[copernicus]

So what if the SB comes over the top for all of my chips? I take it you would fold, correct? Does it depend on reads, or just the fact of his delayed aggression?

Yes Id fold to a SB push. When SB makes that move he is essentially betting into a dry sidepot in his own attempt to get hu vs the BB, which I dont think hed do witout a solid pair.

[tskillz187]

With your stack I dont like pushing here. Even if youre not dominated, if your A or K is duplicated you drop to 33% in the hand, and while there is some dead money that might make it narrowly +EV to call, youre in solid shape for the 2d hour of a 180. Id wait and see the flop before committing a ton of chips to the hand.

If we just call the BB push, then we are giving SB odds to call with anything, he is at worst calling. We are losing this (now 6k pot) SO often. We need the SB to cooperate with us or to spike an A or K to win the pot, as you said you aren't willing to commit a lot of chips until you see the flop.

The pot is 6k, we have 7.5k(?) it's going to be tricky to play this hand, I think C/F unless we hit is too passive. We could have gotten heads up with SB's dead money very easily by pushing. He is a large stack, it seems very foolish for him to try and trap out of position so early in a tournament. His calling range is QQ-AA (IMO) the way he has played the hand makes him have QQ-AA a SUPER small percentage of the time. To lose a monster pot all the conditions need to be wrong and lined up for us. To me, this hand is just a perfect storm.

[copernicus]

If we just call the BB push, then we are giving SB odds to call with anything, he is at worst calling. We are losing this (now 6k pot) SO often. We need the SB to cooperate with us or to spike an A or K to win the pot, as you said you aren't willing to commit a lot of chips until you see the flop.

The pot is 6k, we have 7.5k(?) it's going to be tricky to play this hand, I think C/F unless we hit is too passive. We could have gotten heads up with SB's dead money very easily by pushing. He is a large stack, it seems very foolish for him to try and trap out of position so early in a tournament. His calling range is QQ-AA (IMO) the way he has played the hand makes him have QQ-AA a SUPER small percentage of the time. To lose a monster pot all the conditions need to be wrong and lined up for us. To me, this hand is just a perfect storm.

I dont think its an auto call for SB with a mediocre hand despite the odds. He threw out 450 because he had a very big stack compared to the bet, and wasnt sure of BB's interest. Now that he knows both BB and hero are playing for a lot of chips he can fold. If he's willing to play for the 1500, then there is also great risk that he comes over the top here (your QQ-AA scenario) and Im squeezed out of the extra chips.

If he doesnt have QQ-AA, his presence in the hand doesnt hurt us substantially anyway...we drop from about a coin flip to about 30% favorite, but are getting more than enough additional $ in the pot to make up for it. In general I think isolating is a better play with middle pairs than with AK.