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[BudBundy]

Cryptologic
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $25.87
UTG+1: $67.18
MP1: $9.25
MP2: $28.71
MP3: $7.72
CO: $20.85
Button: $8.50
SB: $7.75
BB: $12.74

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with 6 A 2 K
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises to $1.15, MP1 calls, 5 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 5 8 3 ($4.75, 4 players)
BB bets $4.75, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises all-in $8.1, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.



Results:
Final pot: $36.03

Sorry if this is basic knowledge but i haven't read any books about Omaha 8 so i am not sure about any of my plays yet.

First of all is pf ok? I have doubts cus i am OOP.

2nd i am folding nut low here right? Because i thought there is a big chance i will get quartered(sp?)

[navybuttons]

i call here with players behind not knowing if they're coming for the ride. if they are, then all the better.

you have some counterfeit protection and draws at a scoop. gamble it up a little bit.

[checkymcfold]

i call here with players behind not knowing if they're coming for the ride. if they are, then all the better.

you have some counterfeit protection and draws at a scoop. gamble it up a little bit.

i agree with this if you either don't know enough about the others in or you know they're loose enough to call marginal hands behind. keep in mind that a four is a huge card for you and even if you're freerolling only 1/4 of the pot, it makes that gutshot 6/wheel a much bigger hand than it seems. on an all low board, it's not unlikely that a king gives you 3/4 as well.

if i have info leading me to think they're tight, i fold the flop. your low "freeroll" (not technically a freeroll, but yeah) is much stronger 3-4 way since 3 in really makes a 1/4 situation hurt less, and a 1/4 in a 4-way pot is breakeven. the high draw is thin, so you want as many people in as possible.

[BudBundy]

I made a big logic mistake then.

The reason i folded was ; i was pretty sure UTG+1 had A2. He was raising whenever he has A2. I folded because i knew he was calling or raising and i didn't wanna chop the low with him since i couldn't see my chance to take the high pot.

[navybuttons]

I made a big logic mistake then.

The reason i folded was ; i was pretty sure UTG+1 had A2. He was raising whenever he has A2. I folded because i knew he was calling or raising and i didn't wanna chop the low with him since i couldn't see my chance to take the high pot.

if there's four players, then chopping the low is +EV. if he has A2 you may get half if an A or a 2 comes and you might already be freerolling (UTG+1 might have a naked AA).

eventually you'll see situations where it's idiotic to continue w/ a naked nut low and situations where it's profitable.

[JacKingOff_suit]

In general, it's really ok to call with four players in the pot. With 3 players it' ok to fold.

[Chamonyx]

Good thought process, Bud. Getting used to folding the naked one-way nuts is one of the hardest things for new PLO8 players to do.

As the others have said, this was probably playable, especially because the other 2 were pretty short-stacked.

[Richard M]

if there's four players, then chopping the low is +EV. if he has A2 you may get half if an A or a 2 comes and you might already be freerolling (UTG+1 might have a naked AA).

eventually you'll see situations where it's idiotic to continue w/ a naked nut low and situations where it's profitable.

How can you say that with 4 players you will have a +EV .What happens when you have all
4 players with A2 and 1 of them has the high also ? and how about even 3 of them have A2?
I know the chances are slim But latley I have seen both of these situations arise. AM i not calculating
properly or what am I missing. He knows that the 1 player has A2 from his past betting amd I think
being UTG this is a good fold. Correct me If I am wrong. I meen say you have a $40 Pot
on the river and 3 players have the A2 and the Hi isnt a Wheel with 4 players in the Pot ? you get $6.50
afetr Betting $10. Again this is slim but something to think about especially deep in a tourney

[checkymcfold]

How can you say that with 4 players you will have a +EV .What happens when you have all
4 players with A2 and 1 of them has the high also ? and how about even 3 of them have A2?
I know the chances are slim But latley I have seen both of these situations arise. AM i not calculating
properly or what am I missing. He knows that the 1 player has A2 from his past betting amd I think
being UTG this is a good fold. Correct me If I am wrong. I meen say you have a $40 Pot
on the river and 3 players have the A2 and the Hi isnt a Wheel with 4 players in the Pot ? you get $6.50
afetr Betting $10. Again this is slim but something to think about especially deep in a tourney

what we're saying is that in a 4 way pot if you have even a remote chance at the high (like even worse than a gutshot in some cases), you're much better off getting the money in than folding. the times you get 1/6ed four way are really really really rare, much more rare than the times you catch up for the high and scoop or get 5/6, etc. hence, +EV.

[antistuff]

almost never ever be afraid to get in in four ways with just the nut low.

[Richard M]

what we're saying is that in a 4 way pot if you have even a remote chance at the high (like even worse than a gutshot in some cases), you're much better off getting the money in than folding. the times you get 1/6ed four way are really really really rare, much more rare than the times you catch up for the high and scoop or get 5/6, etc. hence, +EV.

I didnt read it good enough and yes if you have the shot at the hi I agree
with you on that. TY