BeaverStyle 1 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)BB (t6185)Hero (t16051)UTG+1 (t2805)MP1 (t8280)MP2 (t4440)MP3 (t3755)CO (t2310)Button (t4720)SB (t4530)Preflop: Hero is UTG with J , A . Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t1000, 5 folds, Hero calls t400.Fold to the min-reraise preflop?Flop: (t2175) Q , Q , J (2 players)Hero ??????How do you proceed here? I figure I'm either WA/WB... How do you play it to figure out which one? Lead out and fold to a reraise, lead out and (if called)check/fold turn fearing he has AQ, AA, KK or JJ??? Link to post Share on other sites
Highlow16 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I dont think youve hit this hard enough to continue but.... if you check the flop and he c bets you could repop cause most players arent going to c bet a flopped set or full house. But would this player fold anything we cant beat? probably not. Better to just check fold unless you flop huge Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)BB (t6185)Hero (t16051)UTG+1 (t2805)MP1 (t8280)MP2 (t4440)MP3 (t3755)CO (t2310)Button (t4720)SB (t4530)Preflop: Hero is UTG with J , A . Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t1000, 5 folds, Hero calls t400.Fold to the min-reraise preflop?Flop: (t2175) Q , Q , J (2 players)Hero ??????How do you proceed here? I figure I'm either WA/WB... How do you play it to figure out which one? Lead out and fold to a reraise, lead out and (if called)check/fold turn fearing he has AQ, AA, KK or JJ???this isnt a wa/wb situation because there is a straight draw possible. You have to lead here to see where you stand. Folding or calling depends on the size of the raise. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 this isnt a wa/wb situation because there is a straight draw possible. You have to lead here to see where you stand. Folding or calling depends on the size of the raise.I agree with this, and the call pf is certainly fine with your stack. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I don't see how leading out doesn't price us into the hand here. Villian only has $3400 left after the flop. I may be in the minority here but with your stack I push. Link to post Share on other sites
meservery 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 anyone ever just fold this hand UTG? Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I don't see how leading out doesn't price us into the hand here. Villian only has $3400 left after the flop. I may be in the minority here but with your stack I push.He's not priced in yet. If he calls he will be, but he isnt likely to do that on a bluff if you lead 1k. if he has a hand and pushes back you can get out. Link to post Share on other sites
rogerwilco 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 anyone ever just fold this hand UTG?With an M of about 50? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 anyone ever just fold this hand UTG?not with this chipstack Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 anyone ever just fold this hand UTG?Early in a tourney with small blinds I will fold AJ and AT (unsuited). They can get in to much trouble OOP to justify the risk. At this point in the tourney, with stacks all over the place, I think they become more playable, especially with a bully stack. This hand is a good example. You arent going to get in a whole lot of trouble with it, because if villain plays back you can comfortably retreat after a reasonable (10%) investment. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 He's not priced in yet. If he calls he will be, but he isnt likely to do that on a bluff if you lead 1k. if he has a hand and pushes back you can get out.Betting less than half the pot will open up for villian to push back with say TT. If we make a bet of say 1.6K we are committed IMO and are calling a push getting 3.5 to 1 ish Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Betting less than half the pot will open up for villian to push back with say TT. If we make a bet of say 1.6K we are committed IMO and are calling a push getting 3.5 to 1 ishI dont see TT calling for another 1k with that flop, but if the table has players that are that loose then Im even more willing to make the bet because I win their remaining stack at least 75% of the time.2/3 of villains should have a worse hand here. If I bet and half are willing to play it out for all of their chips and half fold, my EV for betting against them is .5*( 2200+.75*5600) = 3200 * .6667 = 2150. Even if I never win the 1/3 of the time I'm behind, thats a loss of 1133. Certainly a profitable situation. Link to post Share on other sites
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