Whats The Play?

[RickyG033 0]

I can never get the damn converter working... sorry guys. Whats the play?PokerStars Game #7926999858: Tournament #40510921, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/01/14 - 01:17:52 (ET)Table '40510921 6' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: JustFun[est] (420 in chips) Seat 2: dogshadow (2950 in chips) Seat 3: RickyG033 (3765 in chips) Seat 4: $bill369 (4750 in chips) Seat 5: asperated (2265 in chips) Seat 6: dollarman55 (3750 in chips) Seat 7: caitlinkerin (1805 in chips) Seat 8: COHOKILL (3095 in chips) Seat 9: dan ze man (575 in chips) RickyG033: posts small blind 25$bill369: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to RickyG033 [Qc Qs]asperated: folds dollarman55: folds caitlinkerin: calls 50COHOKILL: folds dan ze man: calls 50JustFun[est]: folds dogshadow: calls 50RickyG033: raises 200 to 250$bill369: calls 200caitlinkerin: folds dan ze man: folds dogshadow: folds *** FLOP *** [4d 8c Td]RickyG033: bets 600$bill369: calls 600*** TURN *** [4d 8c Td] [3d]RickyG033: checks $bill369: bets 1200RickyG033 ????

[Eric Smith 0]

go with your gut

[RickyG033 0]

go with your gut

Oh I did. But what do you feel is best here?

[ChrisRichey 1]

Oh I did. But what do you feel is best here?

I probably push. From my experience, most players will check behind when they hit their flush here, unless it's a 5-high flush or something. A read would help. I think we may have caught him with ATo.

[Actuary 3]

I bet 350 preflop.And bet 3/4 pot on flopAnd lead the turn for 1/2 pot

[simo_8ball 1]

Leading the turn makes this far more simple. He could easily think a 10 is good here against your probable AK/AQ.

[eYank 0]

Leading the turn makes this far more simple. He could easily think a 10 is good here against your probable AK/AQ.

yeah then i think i bet out, if he raises push but i push there

[RickyG033 0]

ok heres what happened....RickyG033 said, "im folding two queens"RickyG033: folds $bill369 collected 1850 from pot$bill369: shows [Jd 8d] (a flush, Jack high)RickyG033 said, "nh"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1850 | Rake 0 Board [4d 8c Td 3d]Seat 1: JustFun[est] folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: dogshadow (button) folded before FlopSeat 3: RickyG033 (small blind) folded on the TurnSeat 4: $bill369 (big blind) collected (1850)Seat 5: asperated folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: dollarman55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: caitlinkerin folded before FlopSeat 8: COHOKILL folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: dan ze man folded before FlopThis is usually where I go broke in a tournament. I haven't been trusting my gut lately and would normally push in here. His bet screamed flush to me, and I trusted it. I used the tactic to tell him my cards hoping he'd show his, and he did. I feel like I have to trust my reads more often. The reason I didn't lead the turn is because I had him on a flush draw when he called the flop bet. I wasn't going to be much more in the pot almost sure that Im behind. If I was a little more confused on where he was, I would have led the turn.

[Actuary 3]

"I put him on a flush draw"One other player sees the flop with you, and you just happen to think he has a FD often enough to let him take the pot?Sounds like scared poker to me.Please tell me you had more than a gut feeling that he had a fd.Like a read based on prior hands..several of them

[RickyG033 0]

"I put him on a flush draw"One other player sees the flop with you, and you just happen to think he has a FD often enough to let him take the pot?Sounds like scared poker to me.Please tell me you had more than a gut feeling that he had a fd.Like a read based on prior hands..several of them

Did u miss the part where I said I usually have been pushing in these situations and being wrong when I go against my gut? LOL @ Scared Poker. My read was a flush draw...it came, he bet, I folded correctly. I dont give away pots easy like this all the time, but I trusted my read.

[Zach6668 513]

lol

[Actuary 3]

lol

lollerz readaments!!!

[kkot 0]

Did u miss the part where I said I usually have been pushing in these situations and being wrong when I go against my gut? LOL @ Scared Poker. My read was a flush draw...it came, he bet, I folded correctly. I dont give away pots easy like this all the time, but I trusted my read.

Ok. I'll bite. How exactly did to come to the conclusion that he was on a flush draw?Was it based on any previous hands with the villain? It sounds like it was based on plays that you made prior to this. This is not a read, it is a random guess. You just happened to be right this time.

[RickyG033 0]

Ok. I'll bite. How exactly did to come to the conclusion that he was on a flush draw?Was it based on any previous hands with the villain? It sounds like it was based on plays that you made prior to this. This is not a read, it is a random guess. You just happened to be right this time.

Sorry about my last post. I had just taken a beat and wasn't in the mood for criticism ...Ok. No I did not have any prior reads on the player because he had just moved to the table, but I feel you can develop reads throughout a hand. Like in live tourney play when a player stares you down (acting strong) he is GENERALLY weak. I know this does not apply to every player. The "read" I developed in this hand was the speed in which he called my bet. I have noticed that a quick call usually indicated a draw of some type. Now on this flop it could have been an OESD, but it was very likely a flush draw. I felt very strongly about this, but was looking for some other opinions, and thats why I posted this. So I appreciate any feedback and sorry again for my other post

[tuckermitchell 1]

I think you throw away more chips than you gain by folding here in the long run. I know if I am the villian here and have a hand like 7/9, I am leading this turn to see if I can move you off your hand and rep a flush and still have outs if not. Sure he showed you his hand, but how many times are you right. I venture to guess I either don't have enough instincts to fold an overpair, or I just am too aggressive. Either way I go broke right here EVERY time.

[Alpha1494 0]

I think this is a little scared poker here. I think you have to lead at the turn, because your opponents range of hands includes both hands you can beat, and hands your drawing dead too. If you make a bet on the turn that looks like a value bet, you will get your information that you need. If your opponent then raises, its an easy fold, and if he calls, you can slow yourself down. I don't like the c/f on the turn because you are throwing away a hand that could be good in this spot. I just prefer to try and gain the information.Alpha