Oh My Heart!

[mikeysong 0]

Full Tilt PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$106 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) The Man Who Got Confused is SB with A J UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Button folds, The Man Who Got Confused calls, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: 7 4 3 (10SB, 5 players)The Man Who Got Confused checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.Turn: Q (5BB, 5 players)The Man Who Got Confused checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, CO folds, The Man Who Got Confused calls, BB calls, UTG folds.River: 4 (8BB, 3 players)The Man Who Got Confused bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, The Man Who Got Confused 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.Results:Final pot: 16BBso not my stylehow would you have played it

[antistuff 0]

sweet moses why are you checking that turn?

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I'd lead the flop. You have overs and a flush draw- see if you can pick up some calls from overcards.

[Zach6668 513]

I 3-bet a lot preflop, unless villains PFR is like 7 or less, maybe. Random number I came up with.If I didnt' do that, I prefer a c/r flop, since we can trap more players for two bets, hopefully.As played, turn lead is too easy.

[mikeysong 0]

why is leading the turn here better than a check-raise or c/c?

[antistuff 0]

I 3-bet a lot preflop, unless villains PFR is like 7 or less, maybe. Random number I came up with.If I didnt' do that, I prefer a c/r flop, since we can trap more players for two bets, hopefully.As played, turn lead is too easy.

you trap more players by leading the flop.

[iggymcfly 0]

This hand plays a lot easier if you 3-bet preflop. Playing 6-handed, you're going to have the best hand here much more often than not, and facing a cold-caller and a BB who may or may not call, you definitely don't want to make this cheap.

[mikeysong 0]

i didn't 3bet since i figured utg would still call 2 coldthinking back, I still should've 3bet huh.

[Zach6668 513]

you trap more players by leading the flop.

Ah, my bad, I confused UTG and UTG+1.

[iggymcfly 0]

i didn't 3bet since i figured utg would still call 2 coldthinking back, I still should've 3bet huh.

Yeah, 3-betting's not just to eliminate players, it's for value too, especially when multiple players have shown weakness by calling. Also, a 3-bet is likely to eliminate the BB, even if it doesn't get rid of anyone else.

[CoranMoran 0]

I 3bet preflop for value.As played, I still lead the flop.If I hadn't led the flop, I still lead the turn.I check with my strong hands very rarely.--CM

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bleh...I can't advocate the 3bet pre-flop with the limper and cold-caller. Yeah, we've got some value, but we're also going to be OOP in a really multi-way pot and we'll basically need to hit to win. Why do we want to shut out the BB? We can get plenty of value by letting one extra player in without exposing ourselves to the lead OOP in a huge pot. I guess it's close in my book though...cause I could definitely see 3-betting AQs here. Additionally, yeah...we seriously need to lead this flop and/or turn.