Daniel, Why Don't You Try Thinking Outside The Box.

[Zeppelinlives 0]

I've heard you criticize people numerous times for not "thinking outside the box." Which to you just means try playing looser.The only time i've ever heard of or seen you playing tight is HSP season 3 which was basically you compensating for playing tooloose and losing money on the previous seasons. You are a creative poker player, that's obvious. But "Experimenting" just meansplaying looser to you. Why don't you try playing tighter as a change. All I'm saying is that there is a norm for how to play, which is tight-aggressive, but "Thinking outside the box" means more than what you think it does. Try looking at yourself in the mirror one morning and ask YOURSELF: "When was the last time I folded 9T suited on the button?"

[David_Nicoson 1]

Try looking at yourself in the mirror one morning and ask YOURSELF: "When was the last time I folded 9T suited on the button?"

It seems to me you're suggesting to play stupid because they'll never see that coming.

[nutzbuster 7]

I've heard you criticize people numerous times for not "thinking outside the box." Which to you just means try playing looser.The only time i've ever heard of or seen you playing tight is HSP season 3 which was basically you compensating for playing tooloose and losing money on the previous seasons. You are a creative poker player, that's obvious. But "Experimenting" just meansplaying looser to you. Why don't you try playing tighter as a change. All I'm saying is that there is a norm for how to play, which is tight-aggressive, but "Thinking outside the box" means more than what you think it does. Try looking at yourself in the mirror one morning and ask YOURSELF: "When was the last time I folded 9T suited on the button?"

[fleung22 1]

The only time i've ever heard of or seen you playing tight is HSP season 3 w...

hold on here...are there HSP3 torrents available already? i thought we had to wait until monday?

[antistuff 0]

in deep stacked no limit holdem you are thinking about folding 9t suited on the button? this is a joke right?

[socalpoker_j 1]

QFT

[DanielNegreanu 141]

I've heard you criticize people numerous times for not "thinking outside the box." Which to you just means try playing looser.The only time i've ever heard of or seen you playing tight is HSP season 3 which was basically you compensating for playing tooloose and losing money on the previous seasons. You are a creative poker player, that's obvious. But "Experimenting" just meansplaying looser to you. Why don't you try playing tighter as a change. All I'm saying is that there is a norm for how to play, which is tight-aggressive, but "Thinking outside the box" means more than what you think it does. Try looking at yourself in the mirror one morning and ask YOURSELF: "When was the last time I folded 9T suited on the button?"

Everything you wrote was wrong. Everything. I have experimented with all sorts of things over the past 15 years. I am a big believer in that the best way to figure out how someone thinks is to try and play as you think they would play. Erick, Josh, and I did these exercises at the Heads Up tournament this year, and I have done lots more experimenting in past years. Especially in the days when I was grinding it out and learning the game. You should have seen me as a teenager and in my early 20's...

[Lynbrook 0]

Everything you wrote was wrong. Everything. I have experimented with all sorts of things over the past 15 years. I am a big believer in that the best way to figure out how someone thinks is to try and play as you think they would play. Erick, Josh, and I did these exercises at the Heads Up tournament this year, and I have done lots more experimenting in past years. Especially in the days when I was grinding it out and learning the game. You should have seen me as a teenager and in my early 20's...

First off...I realize you can just run over most amatures. But when dealing with pros...how do you play outside the box? By now almost everyone knows that you play less than premium hands. So how do you trick the pro's?

[HubDub04 0]

Daniel should put his junk in the box.

[DCJ001 0]

First off...I realize you can just run over most amatures. But when dealing with pros...how do you play outside the box? By now almost everyone knows that you play less than premium hands. So how do you trick the pro's?

One way is to play AA, KK, etc the same way that he plays 10 7 off, 45 suited and when they reraise or push that jack high flop, he's got them.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

First off...I realize you can just run over most amatures. But when dealing with pros...how do you play outside the box? By now almost everyone knows that you play less than premium hands. So how do you trick the pro's?

Have you been watching Poker After Dark? Kind of like that. Pros either think I play a lot of hands, or they think I never bluff. I always come to the table with a different mindset depending on my opponents and I have several different gears that I'll implement depending on which ones I think will work.

[11 to 1 0]

I've heard you criticize people numerous times for not "thinking outside the box." Which to you just means try playing looser.The only time i've ever heard of or seen you playing tight is HSP season 3 which was basically you compensating for playing tooloose and losing money on the previous seasons. You are a creative poker player, that's obvious. But "Experimenting" just meansplaying looser to you. Why don't you try playing tighter as a change. All I'm saying is that there is a norm for how to play, which is tight-aggressive, but "Thinking outside the box" means more than what you think it does. Try looking at yourself in the mirror one morning and ask YOURSELF: "When was the last time I folded 9T suited on the button?"

I'm trying to figure out: A.) Why you took this personally (seriously, dude, I don't think DN is talkin' to me, pretty sure he is not referring to you, either) and B.) if you read the blog all the way through.Going to the mall and watching people interact is not related to what you do or do not fold or if you are tight or loose. Now, DN can correct me if I misunderstood him also, but the "ouside the box" reference is to how to learn to think and see, how to listen and or understand, in ways not related to: opening hands or pot odds or position. I had a guy tell me once to try to always talk salesmen into giving you a better price, even in like Sears or someplace. Funny things is, sometimes they do! But the experience of trying different ways of getting someone to give you what you want as opposed to what they want to do, is interesting. I think this is the kind of thing DN was speaking of.Chill, ok? If some poker blog can put you on tilt, you got a bigger problem at the table than playing too tight.

[Zeppelinlives 0]

I wasn't taking what he said personally. I was just annoyed that Daniel seems to have a rigid idea of what "Thinking outside the box" is. I was just pointing out the irony.

[11 to 1 0]

I wasn't taking what he said personally. I was just annoyed that Daniel seems to have a rigid idea of what "Thinking outside the box" is. I was just pointing out the irony.

No, he doesn't, which is completely obvious in every word he writes or utters. We get annoyed by things because they relate to us personally, no one gets irritated by what he doesn't give a **** about. I'm only asking, and it's none of my business really, because I think our only real opponenet in the game is ourselves. Look, I'm old. And I'm going to give you some "old curmudgeion" advice, and you know: "advice is worth what you pay for it" so feel free to ignore it but - People, especially young people, are too hard on themselves. And so they are really hard on everyone else. Give yourself a break. There is some guy who posted around here that he wanted to find something he was "the best in the world at." A total set-up for failure, no one is best in the world at anything. Everyone has to chill, life and poker aren't score by the game, it's a lifetime deal. You'll get better unless you give up; giving up is the only way to fail.

[TrueAce13 18]

No, he doesn't, which is completely obvious in every word he writes or utters. We get annoyed by things because they relate to us personally, no one gets irritated by what he doesn't give a **** about. I'm only asking, and it's none of my business really, because I think our only real opponenet in the game is ourselves. Look, I'm old. And I'm going to give you some "old curmudgeion" advice, and you know: "advice is worth what you pay for it" so feel free to ignore it but - People, especially young people, are too hard on themselves. And so they are really hard on everyone else. Give yourself a break. There is some guy who posted around here that he wanted to find something he was "the best in the world at." A total set-up for failure, no one is best in the world at anything. Everyone has to chill, life and poker aren't score by the game, it's a lifetime deal. You'll get better unless you give up; giving up is the only way to fail.

Well said. Thats about all I can say about that. Well one more thing about the first post on this topic. I just would like to assume that a player such as Daniel has most likely tried many different styles of play over the years to find one that works

[llou 0]

No, he doesn't, which is completely obvious in every word he writes or utters. We get annoyed by things because they relate to us personally, no one gets irritated by what he doesn't give a **** about. I'm only asking, and it's none of my business really, because I think our only real opponenet in the game is ourselves. Look, I'm old. And I'm going to give you some "old curmudgeion" advice, and you know: "advice is worth what you pay for it" so feel free to ignore it but - People, especially young people, are too hard on themselves. And so they are really hard on everyone else. Give yourself a break. There is some guy who posted around here that he wanted to find something he was "the best in the world at." A total set-up for failure, no one is best in the world at anything. Everyone has to chill, life and poker aren't score by the game, it's a lifetime deal. You'll get better unless you give up; giving up is the only way to fail.

I'm old too ... and that is damn good advice. Many young people need to learn to chill a bit.

[Zeppelinlives 0]

No, he doesn't, which is completely obvious in every word he writes or utters. We get annoyed by things because they relate to us personally, no one gets irritated by what he doesn't give a **** about. I'm only asking, and it's none of my business really, because I think our only real opponenet in the game is ourselves. Look, I'm old. And I'm going to give you some "old curmudgeion" advice, and you know: "advice is worth what you pay for it" so feel free to ignore it but - People, especially young people, are too hard on themselves. And so they are really hard on everyone else. Give yourself a break. There is some guy who posted around here that he wanted to find something he was "the best in the world at." A total set-up for failure, no one is best in the world at anything. Everyone has to chill, life and poker aren't score by the game, it's a lifetime deal. You'll get better unless you give up; giving up is the only way to fail.

First of all. However old you are doesn't matter to me. Age can mean delusion as much as it can wisdom. "Everyone has to chill," may be cheech and chongs philosophy, or yours, but it's not mine. Not every time someone has a critique does it mean they don'trespect the person. I wouldn't be on this forum if I didn't respect Daniel's view on poker. Daniel wants to learn more about the game, like we all do. I just wanted to point out that there are a lot of people working on their own styles, and not all of them fit into what Daniel believes is "Outside the box."

[benpatt 0]

I think what this guys trying to get at is, daniel is just not a winning player, and hes won multiple tourneys and in the big game on a crazy run of luck. Luck like this usually lasts for around 10 years but it will surely fade.

[benpatt 0]

I think what this guys trying to get at is, daniel is just not a winning player, and hes won multiple tourneys and in the big game on a crazy run of luck. Luck like this usually lasts for around 10 years but it will surely fade.

[XX44466XX 0]

Everything you wrote was wrong. Everything. I have experimented with all sorts of things over the past 15 years. I am a big believer in that the best way to figure out how someone thinks is to try and play as you think they would play. Erick, Josh, and I did these exercises at the Heads Up tournament this year, and I have done lots more experimenting in past years. Especially in the days when I was grinding it out and learning the game. You should have seen me as a teenager and in my early 20's...

Lots of "experimenting" as a young man, I'm sure.

[llou 0]

I think what this guys trying to get at is, daniel is just not a winning player, and hes won multiple tourneys and in the big game on a crazy run of luck. Luck like this usually lasts for around 10 years but it will surely fade.

I'm confused. Are you serious or not? Are you a hater or a supporter? You joined FCP back in November, 2005 but this is only your 5th post. Apparently, you haven't found other conversations on this forum worth joining, but this one suddenly is. You insult Daniel poker's ability. There is no little "sw" anywhere.

[Zeppelinlives 0]

I'm confused. Are you serious or not? Are you a hater or a supporter? You joined FCP back in November, 2005 but this is only your 5th post. Apparently, you haven't found other conversations on this forum worth joining, but this one suddenly is. You insult Daniel poker's ability. There is no little "sw" anywhere.

What is an "sw"? I like hearing what Daniel has to say, I'm a supporter. That doesn't mean I support everything he says. Idon't make many posts, I mainly just read the blog.

[llou 0]

What is an "sw"? I like hearing what Daniel has to say, I'm a supporter. That doesn't mean I support everything he says. Idon't make many posts, I mainly just read the blog.

SW = "sarcasm warning." It's a way to let people know that you don't really mean what you say.My comment was in reference to the post by bennpat that I quoted. I couldn't tell if he was being serious or whether he was being sarcastic.I knew you were being serious.