Zach Hates Donkbets.

[mikeysong 0]

Absolute PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$106 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) SUPERHERO is CO with 9 A 2 folds, SUPERHERO raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.Flop: 2 J 5 (6.6SB, 3 players)BB checks, SUPERHERO bets, Button raises, BB folds, SUPERHERO calls.Turn: 8 (5.3BB, 2 players)SUPERHERO bets, Button calls.River: 2 (7.3BB, 2 players)SUPERHERO checks, Button bets, SUPERHERO raises, Button 3-bets, SUPERHERO caps, Button calls.Results:Final pot: 15.3BBNo read on villain, he's new at table and in my stats.Do we like? I don't think the flop peel is too loose at all.Turn play sets up the river well, correct?And we like the river check-raise ya? IMO someone who raises in position and calls the turn is going to bet on the river to get me to fold, or a thin value bet, even if he was on a draw - not a def. but it happens.

[Pancake407 0]

Flop is good.Check/call the turn.Bet/Raise the river.

[CoranMoran 0]

Turn play sets up the river well, correct?

What do you think your turn donk-bet represents?--cm

[Zach6668 513]

Zach Hates Donkbets.

I don't understand this one. I like them when they have a purpose. I've started mixing in a stop and go a ton now against these aggro players on AP.I just don't get the point of this bet.It's like "hey!!1 I picked up a flush draw! I'm gonna donk it evey though my equity is no where near wheat it has to be, and I have next to no fold equity, and I rarely have the best hand as it is!! WHooooo!"

[antistuff 0]

no...turn play sets up for him to check behind with lots of hands he would have called a bet with.

[aim786 0]

What do you think your turn donk-bet represents?--cm

Right on point imo. Your turn donk represents that you have a flush draw; this is a line many players use (donking on the turn when they pick up a draw). If I was the button here and had any sort of hand, I'd raise that turn donk all day.

[mikeysong 0]

it's not a line i'd always take w/only a flush draw.I think I gain an extra bet on the river a lot of the time doing this (when I make my hand)I would check-raise the flush or any Ace, and bet out any 9 as his call on the turn tells me he probably doesn't have the jackoh zach, I was referring to the other hand I posted awhile ago where I donkbet turn n river and u said something along the lines 'i hate the way you play, I'd want to stab you'

[aim786 0]

it's not a line i'd always take w/only a flush draw.I think I gain an extra bet on the river a lot of the time doing this (when I make my hand)I would check-raise the flush or any Ace, and bet out any 9 as his call on the turn tells me he probably doesn't have the jackoh zach, I was referring to the other hand I posted awhile ago where I donkbet turn n river and u said something along the lines 'i hate the way you play, I'd want to stab you'

Thats a plus, since this mixes up your play. Donking on the turn when no draw gets picked up confuses me the most, ie I can't play optimally against it. Still, I think your hand is too transparent on this board. Is he passive? Alot of players call down with the J here because they don't want to raise again.Lol I remember that. Whenever you play against zach, ALWAYS donk into him, it tilts him like crazy!

[Pancake407 0]

I think I gain an extra bet on the river a lot of the time doing this (when I make my hand)

But you lose an extra bet on the turn, when you get raised again and don't make your hand on the river. Check/Call the turn -You have no fold equity here, you have no showdown value, I don't see any reason to donk this turn.

[CoranMoran 0]

oh zach, I was referring to the other hand I posted awhile ago where I donkbet turn n river and u said something along the lines 'i hate the way you play, I'd want to stab you'

I don't think he was intending the comment as a compliment --cm

[Head_Trauma 0]

Turn play sets up the river well, correct?

Guess it does given what actually happened... but what is your line when you whiff the river? Fire another barrel and pray?

[Zach6668 513]

Lol I remember that. Whenever you play against zach, ALWAYS donk into him, it tilts him like crazy!

Can we please keep this on the downlow? A lot of players on here play on AP, and I'd like to continue owning them. Kthx.

[mikeysong 0]

Another face card on the river is worth firing. Otherwise I check/call a non club card as well as for info.pancake - Yes, I'll most likely be re-raised by a J if he's not passive. Just because he raised the flop doesn't mean he has top pair. He could easily do it with a draw or bluff me w/K high, which some A-holes do =/The donkbet on the turn helps me define his hand

[Zach6668 513]

I'd rather keep my "defining" plays to the flop. I'm not a fan of having him define his hand on the turn.I really don't know. I still don't get this line.

[wrto4556 0]

I think its fine. Heavily depends on OPs tendencys though.

[iggymcfly 0]

I really hate the turn here. You're never ever ever getting a better hand to fold, and I think you'd actually get more information with a c/c since a draw might check behind. All this donk does is say "Hey, have a good hand? If you do, I'll give you an extra bet." The only way I could see this line being useful is if you think that there's a really good chance that villian's making this raise with a worse ace high and you plan on betting the river for value. Trying to bluff a face card on the river is another play that will never ever ever work. If you really want to get cute, you can C/R the turn and maybe get something to fold, but I think just C/Cing is the best play.If we do check/call the turn, I'd probably C/R the river as well since it's a pretty safe card that fell, and we're likely to get the most value that way. After getting 3-bet in that spot, I'd probably just call since I'd find a boat to be more likely than a 2 or a worse flush based on the earlier action. As played, I'd bet/3-bet since villian showed a lot of weakness by just calling when we took the lead on the turn, and our odd line might make him suspicious of a flush draw.

[Jimboozie 0]

I didn't understand the river at all. What is he three betting with here? Like guy above said, why cap most times you're losing an extra bet to a boat here.

[mikeysong 0]

he would've raised the turn with a set or two pair, don't you think?" think you'd actually get more information with a c/c since a draw might check behind."in the games @ AP, this isn't true. People who fire the turn tend to fire the river. A lot of stubborn aggression @ AP. I saw a guy bet AK to the river with just A high in position and i'm pretty sure he wasn't betting to value bet, pretty sure he just did it hoping the guy would fold something @_@

[wrto4556 0]

the turn can be played a lot of different ways. this way is ok if the opponent is going to raise a pair of deuces on the flop, A high, or a flush draw. We lock up value on the turn and if we are beat thats ok! we have a flush draw and probably pair outs. c/ring is fun, too. check/call is standard (i hate that word). I dont think its a big deal either way we go.For the record, i think the river c/r is sick!