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[cu in 4years Dan]

ok well for the last few months i have been running terrible.
in fact i have lost over $25K just through NL cash games.
what do you guys do when you are running bad to get through it?

[simo_8ball]

What limits do you play?

[krup24]

What limits do you play?

he plays 100-200 NL

[simo_8ball]

he plays 100-200 NL

Ah, so he's down slightly over 1 buyin then.

Seriously though, if you're down $25k playing cash games and you are playing lower than $25/$50NL you need to drop down to a level you can beat. There are downswings you can blame on variance, but eventually you have to realise when you are numerous buyins down that maybe you can't beat the game.

[BWToth]

How is 1 buy-in a significant amount? Everytime you sit down you're one bad beat, mistake, cooler away from losing a buy-in. right?

[cu in 4years Dan]

i play 10/20 limit and 2/4 nl.

this is not a joke and all the assholes who think they are funny, just piss off.
i am as much a member of this forum and you have no right to berate me or make fun of me in anyway.
if you continue to verbally attack me i will report to the mods, i have had enough of it.

[zsta2k6]

i play 10/20 limit and 2/4 nl.

this is not a joke and all the assholes who think they are funny, just piss off.
i am as much a member of this forum and you have no right to berate me or make fun of me in anyway.
if you continue to verbally attack me i will report to the mods, i have had enough of it.

BBFIDTS.

But seriously, you arent running bad at this point at those limits... you just plain arent a winning player there... move down til you find a game you can beat.

[simo_8ball]

i play 10/20 limit and 2/4 nl.

this is not a joke and all the assholes who think they are funny, just piss off.
i am as much a member of this forum and you have no right to berate me or make fun of me in anyway.
if you continue to verbally attack me i will report to the mods, i have had enough of it.

Ok, if you are in any way referring to me, I have not at any point attacked or flamed you. If you misinterpreted my comments I apologise.

If you are down $25k, that is over 60 buyins of $2/$4NL and 1250BB at $10/$20 Limit. That is a large enough drop to prove that you cannot beat those limits with your current skill level. You are a member of this forum, but you have (to the best of my recollection) never posted a hand for discussion/advice in strategy. The strategy forums exist for a purpose, why not utilize some of the talent and knowledge here?

Do you own PokerTracker? If not, buy it. If so, post some of your figures in here and we can see if there are any obvious areas of weakness. Losing 5, even up to 10 buyins can be a result of running bad. Losing 60 buyins is almost impossible if you are a winning player. The same can be said with limit.

[mikeysong]

losing 25k @ 2/4nl isn't that much? that's over 50 buyins @ 2/4nl and 1000bbs @ 10/20.

I suggest taking a break or start playing short sessions dan, and just getting in a few winning sessions under your belt to build back some confidence.

[Pot Odds RAC]

i play 10/20 limit and 2/4 nl.

this is not a joke and all the assholes who think they are funny, just piss off.
i am as much a member of this forum and you have no right to berate me or make fun of me in anyway.
if you continue to verbally attack me i will report to the mods, i have had enough of it.

Lighten up Francis.

If you've dropped $25K and cannot afford it, you need to reevaluate more than just your Poker play and Limits. $25k in a few months is an Income for many people. You need to establish what your Gambling goals are. You need to determine if you may have a Gambling problem. If after serious introspection, you determine that you are going to continue gambling, you need to establish whether or not you are good enough at Poker to be able to play the style and limits at which you are playing. No one wants to admit that their losing may not be merely "variance", but may be because you are getting beaten by better players. At the very least you need to tighten up and drop down to smaller tables while you get a grip on your problem.

[ChrisRichey]

I think you should listen to simo on this one, and drop down. Posting hands in the strat sections will also help you find leaks. Hope things get better for you.

[mtdesmoines]

ok well for the last few months i have been running terrible.
in fact i have lost over $25K just through NL cash games.
what do you guys do when you are running bad to get through it?

We need this:

how much you've won total
what your total bankroll is
what games you played to get to that bankroll
what games you played to lose $25K

[Abbaddabba]

You're not good at poker.
If you continue playing as you are, you will lose more.

Dont try to give yourself confidence. That advice is reserve for people with long histories of winning, where they've hit a short discouraging patch that is not representative of their expected performance. You should be discouraged by this. Deeply discouraged.


The best advice anyone can give you is to quit now.


You wont take the advice though. Which is why the poker economy continues to thrive.

[cu in 4years Dan]

You're not good at poker.
If you continue playing as you are, you will lose more.

Dont try to give yourself confidence. That advice is reserve for people with long histories of winning, where they've hit a short discouraging patch that is not representative of their expected performance. You should be discouraged by this. Deeply discouraged.
The best advice anyone can give you is to quit now.
You wont take the advice though. Which is why the poker economy continues to thrive.

you are a moron. i have been playing now for 11 years+ every day of my life for about 8 hours (about 2-3 when i was around 5 or 6 years old).
i am a better player than you are, and i play at least at mike matusow's level. you know nothing of my play, why comment? how dare you even comment to me that i cannot play.

to those who are trying to help:
at the moment my total bankroll is $78K (and change).
my total "career" winings is $442K.
i used to play 25/50 limit and 5/10 nl.

this is my first real bad swing (def my worst) in about half a year.
so far during gameplay i have not really titled (when i begin i get up from the table and walk outside for 20 mins or so) so i'm feeling confident at my level.
i know for a fact that i can beat the games that i am in, i play at small clubs and groups around the city due to my age so i know most of the players personally (by most i mean probably around 90%).

the problem is that my game is around 90% live and 10% internet so its hard for me to post hands, but i will start collecting hands and post them here.

again i CAN beat the games i am in. everytime i have lost a buy in it has been due to terrible suck outs such as QQ over TT and at the river a 10 spikes, or A7 vs AJ and me flopping a 7 only to get rivered with a j.

anyways hope someone can help me, and if you need more info jsut ask.

[kkot]

anyways hope someone can help me

What kind of help are you looking for?

You seem to take offense to everything that is being said without considering that maybe you are, in fact, a losing player.

If you drop 50 buyins at NL or 1200+BB at LHE, you probably are not a winning player.

Just saying.

[cu in 4years Dan]

What kind of help are you looking for?

You seem to take offense to everything that is being said without considering that maybe you are, in fact, a losing player.

If you drop 50 buyins at NL or 1200+BB at LHE, you probably are not a winning player.

Just saying.

due to the fact that i have been a winning player for the majority of my life, and in the games that i play now i am jsut guessing that i am a winning player. this is a bad swing, i have been winning at my level for a long time before i started my card dead run.

[kkot]

What kind of help are you looking for?

Sooo, you didn't answer my question at all. What exactly is it you're looking for?

Sympathy?

If you actually are a winning player, play through it.

[Zach6668]

lol @ 50 buy-in downswing....

[Abbaddabba]

you are a moron. i have been playing now for 11 years+ every day of my life for about 8 hours (about 2-3 when i was around 5 or 6 years old).
i am a better player than you are, and i play at least at mike matusow's level. you know nothing of my play, why comment? how dare you even comment to me that i cannot play.

to those who are trying to help:
at the moment my total bankroll is $78K (and change).
my total "career" winings is $442K.
i used to play 25/50 limit and 5/10 nl.

Right.

You've always been totally honest with us too.


But even if you did somehow manage to win a long time ago, things have changed.

Someone who was capable of winning at the 25/50 live (or online a long while back) there's a good chance that you wont be a winner now.



If you've been winning live and losing online, the reason is obvious.
You're good enough to beat the mentally retarded players at your local clubs, but you arent good enough to win online.

[Zach6668]

Just because you were a winner in the past, does not mean you are currently a winner. Since every hand is essentially independent, aside from metagame implications, it is entirely possible that you have developped a leak or simply are getting outplayed in the current games you are playing.

The key is to not be stubborn with yourself. The game conditions are constantly changing, if you do not adapt because you are too stubborn, because "you have been a winner for the last xx years", then you will almost always lose your edge.