Anyone saying to consider calling here is WAY over thinking this. I think you guys are just trying to think out of the box and wouldn't actually do this, but if actually would in this situation ... you'd always be a welcome player in any game I play in.Calling here with this hand would just be dumb ... no good small ball player, even those that play a ton of hands like Daniel, Hanson, Gavin Smith, etc. would ever call in this spot. Now with 98o that's a different matter ... and with a suited connector or small pair it'd be expected. But Q3o? That's just asking to give away chips. Raising seems unnecessarily risky to me, but calling is much moreso.
simo_8ball, on Friday, December 29th, 2006, 4:00 PM, said:
You do realise that this move has nothing (or at least very little) to do with our cards, right?
shpaget, on Friday, December 29th, 2006, 4:30 PM, said:
If I'm raising to 10k here I can do it with two Uno cards - that you have Q3 is irrelevent.
Actually, I completely agree with the other guy. The move would make a lot more sense with a hand that could take a flop like 76s. Your cards only don't matter if you don't get called, and these two players have 34k-41k between them. Your cards would matter less if you moved all in or if they were much shorter stacked, but even then a hand like Q3 is going to be dominated by every hand that calls you besides AK and possibly AJ-AT if they're nuts enough to call with those hands. A hand like 87s will only be dominated by higher pairs which are very unlikely. With a small pair you'd probably just want to call, but 76s in this very specific situation probably plays better with a reraise.IF you're going to reraise here, I'd much rather raise to around 6.5k-7k. It looks more scary than the raise to 10k and gives you a much better value on your raise. It only needs to work about 50% of the time preflop, and that's not even considering that you still have a good chance to take the pot down postflop either by getting lucky and hitting the flop or continuing your representation of a big pair on a non-scary flop (just about any flop without an A in this case).Also, personally, I get most of my strong reads post flop. I'd never be too certain that these players were that weak preflop, so that greatly adds to the risk factor involved. So I still stand by this not being a neccesary move at this point, since it won't add much to your stack and your chip position is extremely favorable. There's no need to take risks like this with a big stack.And since the raise options given are either raising too small or too much, I'm positive Daniel's answer is going to be to fold here. I'm pretty sure Matusow would reraise to 10k here with these reads, but making this move just doesn't fit in with the small ball style of play at all.