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[Nutcracker]

Ok, this hand from last night is really bugging me. I know it was a little chip spewy, but I was playing my opponent's cards more than my own on this. I'm curious whether it was just a bad bluff by me or bad play by him..I thought I had a good read on the button. He'd push hard anytime he had a decent hand and would steal with minraises and junk. I didn't peg him as a calling station or someone that would call off all his chips on marginal hands.. As you'll see, I was wrong.$10 SNG, blinds $75/150Button ($3k in chips)Me: SB ($4.5k)BB: sitting outButton raises to $300. I saw this as an obvious attempt to steal the dead big blind, as I was playing tight and would relinquish a small blind easily.I have A5o, I raise to $750. Flop is Q83 rainbow. I bet $1k, about 2/3 pot. He just calls. At this point, I know he has very little of the flop, he woulda pushed with top pair like he has been doing all night.Turn K. I set him all in. He calls and flips over 87o. No help on the river and his 3rd pair holds up.I was positive he had a marginal hand on this and was right. I had been very tight this entire table only showing premium hands when called, so I have absolutely no idea how this guy thought he had the best hand at this point. I'd play overpair, top pair, 2 pair or trips exactly the same way as I did. Putting in 2/3 pot size on the flop then all in on the turn.I know his preflop raise was very loose (very uncharacteristic of me), but do you all think he was making good calls postflop, calling off all his chips on that hand? I ended up going out on the bubble after his A5 beat my AJ (crippled me) and then 33 beat my K7, and am really curious as to your thoughts on this hand. Obviously I could have just relinquished the small blind easily enough with this marginal hand, but it was late, and I was very sure (and right) about my read on this guy. Obviously my read about him being able to lay down marginal hands was wrong though.

[ghoti7four]

In the same way that preflop he seemed to you to be raising to steal the pot, it probably seemed to him as if you were doing the same thing on the flop and turn (calling you with only the eight makes me think it was obvious to him). Also as far as your play is concerned I would be careful about making a complete bluff against someone who was sofar willing to call anything. You probably have no live outs to the five (which it turns out you didn't) and unless he had absolutely nothing you couldn't afford a call here. Better to semi-bluff on the come with a strong drawing hand at least. I will grant you though it is a little insane to think that eights are going to be good with two overcards no draw to anything much better and a card yet to come.

[Vade]

2nd pair is a reasonable hand to call the flop with. There's only one over cardLikewise, he figured the K didn't improve your hand. Not saying it was a good call or anything on his part, but he was pot committed to the hand at this pointSorry, but you just lost a lot of chips on a hand you shouldn't have gotten heavily involved with :(If anything, call his raise, and fold on the flop because you have nothingHis hand was marginal, but so was yours

[MasterLJ]

He made a good call.It's not a bet that says "I have an 8," it's a bet that says "You don't have a Q."Your re-raise all in is what I call the "desperation raise," and it's exactly what I look for when I play heads up. Although I'd like to get a better kicker on that 8 and have at least something to draw to, I probably would have made the same call although I wouldn't have played 87 for a raise unless it was possibly heads-up.Anyway, a call is as good as a raise alot of times when your playing directly against someone. You limit their play to going all in, or checking and showing huge weakness. Sklanksy says that the fundamental rule of poker is that if you could see your opponents cards you'd want to have them make a mistake against yours, and you did.

[DCWildcat]

High risk low reward style hand. Not that I haven't done the same thing myself. I would have probably tried a smooth call to milk him later.But it was dumb of him to call all that with a Q and a K on the board after a raise.

[Trono]

How can you call it dumb? It was a good read.

[Nutcracker]

I only pull a move like this once every 10 SNGs or so.. definately not a style and it has been a very profitable move. In the 5 rounds previous to this hand, I had busted 3 people who were trying to be a hero and call my bluff. Each time I showed down top pair (AQs), top 2 pair (AQs again) and overpair (KK). Each time I raised preflop, bet 2/3 pot on the flop when it hit, and got the rest in on the turn. Given this, do you still think it would be wise for someone to call off their entire stack on 2nd pair?He did turn out to be the typical calling station though, he just disguised it well up to that point. About 10 minutes later, he had a stack of 4k. Called 500 preflop, 1k on the flop, 2k on the turn, then folded with 500 chips left on the river. If I had known that, I would have either folded preflop or called and played cautiously.

[Swift_Psycho]

XXEddie said:

DCWildcat said:

High risk low reward style hand. Not that I haven't done the same thing myself. I would have probably tried a smooth call to milk him later.But it was dumb of him to call all that with a Q and a K on the board after a raise.

what are you stupid?he probably figured he didnt have K conisdering he bet the flop, and he probably figured he didnt have a Q....so what you are saying is.....its stupid to call with the best hand?so THATS what ive been doing wrong

You have got to cool down Eddie. Every time someone says something to disagree with you, you always break out some childish insult. I'm not even going to mention the fact that a lot of the time you do disagree with someone, you're wrong (though maybe not in this specific case). Oops, I guess I did mention it.