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Can Tables Be Too Tight?


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#1 Viper_13

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:49 PM

I've been play playing a ton of low/micro limit of late, and with the "poker ban," my money wound up on Full Tilt. Now I may be the last person on the planet to pick up pokertracker, but I've logged just over 6000 hands within the last month. During the last 4500 hands or so, I have been running horribly. I know... very small sample size, variance, etc. The sad thing was, during this time, I felt like I couldn't play any better. I even have that eagle rating :club: So I reviewed my stats and the hands I was losing 3 or 4 BB+. I found some small leaks, but most of the hands I was losing were bad beats. After replaying them, while seeing the villain's cards, I would play most of these hands the same way. Then it hit me. It might not be the hands I'm losing. It appears that most of the hands that I win are usually small pots. Now although this is .25-.50 and .5-1, these tables are fairly tight. I've gone on runs where I've won 18 out of 100 hands (I raise/they fold) and I've barely shown a profit. If you've been patient enough to read this, I was wondering ...1. Can a table be too tight to beat no matter how well you play ?2. Has anyone had sustained success at these limits at FT? PS: I just played one 3-table session at Stars .25-.50 and won more on each table than I have in any session in the last two weeks at FT. If this isn't the answer, then I'll just admit that ISAP and play freerolls.Thank you.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:54 PM

You kinda have to just run those tables over with aggression. As in, targetting the weak-tight players who will bet fold a lot, etc. Also, you have to be a bit more willing to let hands go postflop to aggression from tight-passive players who will almost always have the goods. It's tougher to make as much as you could at a loose passive tables, since fewer mistakes are usually being made overall, but that doesn't mean they are unexploitable.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 07:16 PM

play positionand all Zach said, too

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 07:52 PM

And this is where Pokertracker and a HUD can really help your game.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 07:53 PM

I'm focusing on the .25/.50 LHE tables at FT right now also. I don't have enough hands in yet to say if it's profitable long term, but so far I feel I'm doing okay. I like to start a new table and play tight/passive till I get some kind of read on players. Then I try to pick up the aggression when I notice the bet/folders, or the guys who will check the flop and fold to a turn bet. I usually pick up a couple good pots early, then drop back a little as I start being aggressive. Once I figure out who I can lean on, I start picking up pots again at a decent rate.

View Postkkot, on Wednesday, December 27th, 2006, 10:52 PM, said:

And this is where Pokertracker and a HUD can really help your game.
I absolutely agree. Maybe some people can track all that stuff in their heads, but there's nothing like a little number under a guy's avatar reminding you of how he plays. And like Actuary said... position. Big Time.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 08:07 PM

Yeah, I forgot to say, 3-bet a TON preflop when you are in position against the guys who will open their raising range up in MP and LP. Also, I 3-bet out of the blinds a ton vs CO/Button openers.
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