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[silkyjonson]

was playing 2-5nl live last night when this hand came up. I have about 600 and am 2 from the button, the game has a mixture of weak and tight players mainly. I limp with j8 suited after there are 3 limpers, button who is a really weak player that plays really straight forward raises to 20 which is a standard raise for this table and both the blinds call as does everyone else so I call as well. flop is kj8 with 3 diamonds checked to me I lead out with 50 bet, my reasoning is I probably have the original raiser beat and either want to take control of the hand or have him re-raise (he only has 130 in front of him) and make the pot heads up pricing out any diamond draws or straight draws. The button insta raises all-in, at this point I put him squarly on AK or AA possibly with the A of diamonds really this is the response I wanted probably isolating the pot between me and him (my image is tight as I've been playing fairly conservative at the table tonite). Then one of the blinds with 400 insta over calls the 130 total ,this is a dilemma, up to this point this is the second time I've played with this guy and he has played really tight and seems like he has a clue what he is doing.

So it is folded to me and I have the decision to either 1) smooth call 2) re-raise 3) or fold well I pretty much eliminate re-raise right off the bat as If I am going to re-raise I will have to go all-in and will only get called by a hand that crushes me. So to smooth call, this is my first thought as the pot is really big and obviously laying me a great price on my money but I run through the hands I think that the blind can call with and its not looking good for me. If he had flopped a flush he would definetily smooth call as he has slowplayed all his big hands, if he had 2 pair KJ or K8 most likely he would play it the same way and if he flopped a set of JJ or 88 which is unlikely he could smooth call also. So as I run through the hands I think he could have that I can beat I think it is really unlikely that he has a naked A of diamonds, the conclusion that I come to is that at worst he has a K with a high diamond A or Q and all other hands probably have me crushed with 2 more streets to come with a very slim chance of improving and a huge pot that will make for tough decisions if I get bet into.

What to do?........................conclusion to come later

[Pot Odds RAC]

Seems to me like one of the two must have hit the flop with better than a just a nut flush draw. I have seen instances where the caller dude insta called like this hoping to knock out any additional action and isolate the original better. We only have $70 invested in the pot. I fear that ultimately we will need to improve to a boat to take this down.

[silkyjonson]

Seems to me like one of the two must have hit the flop with better than a just a nut flush draw. I have seen instances where the caller dude insta called like this hoping to knock out any additional action and isolate the original better. We only have $70 invested in the pot. I fear that ultimately we will need to improve to a boat to take this down.

This was my line of thought also

[simo_8ball]

Bet more on the flop. The pot is what, $140? Lead $100.

As played, fold. Based on the reads, you are probably behind. This hand is a good example of reverse implied odds. If you have the best hand you are probably having to fade 1/2 the deck twice, and if you are behind you might be dead.

[silkyjonson]

Bet more on the flop. The pot is what, $140? Lead $100.

As played, fold. Based on the reads, you are probably behind. This hand is a good example of reverse implied odds. If you have the best hand you are probably having to fade 1/2 the deck twice, and if you are behind you might be dead.

I agree I should have led out a little more showing more strenghth. I agree with your reasoning 100% and I did end up folding deciding that I was either crushed or best position having to fade a ton of draws. Well it turns out I was in a lot better spot, the button turned over AK as I expected with no diamond, and the bb turned over KQ with no diamond which completely baffled me. So I was in a great spot to win a big pot with both of them sharing a king and only having to dodge an A,Q,k or board pair which did blank off. It turns out the BB made a complete donkey overcall which let me to fold, I was really annoyed that someone could think KQ was worth that call but oh well, but I think my analysis was ok and would do it again I guess if faced with the same situation with the information.