I Am Crazy? I Think Not.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

PokerStars 10/20 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is Button with T , K , K , T . 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (8 SB) J , 3 , 9 (8 players)SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Turn: (11 BB) 8 (7 players)SB bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.River: (23 BB) Q (6 players)SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds.Final Pot: 26 BBI had the close odds to chase the gut shot on every street, and it won't be 1/2'd.Haven't seen a table so loose and a strange hand like this, just feel like sharing...

[starfit 0]

You won hooray. Wait is that play money?

[bdc30 0]

If you had a wrap or a backup flush draw, I'd have liked it a lot more.Not big on chasing gutshots. You only have 3 outs in the deck on the river.You just happened to catch gin. 41/44 times, you lose here. The odds are close,but I'd still have folded.

[antistuff 0]

cappeletti would say make it three on the flop to chase out bookdoor lows. im skeptical of your call on the turn.but nice hand. you must have gotten so much action after this one you didnt know what to do with it.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

The table was fairly loose and I was cracked repeately by call stations such as AA2Kss against 2367 on [68996] (along with other call stations) and A28Jds cracked by QQK3 on the board of [79TLJ]. Yes I knew the pot was laying me 1 to 10 to call and that's the NOT the exact right odds because I didn't have 4 out of 44 remainings to hit. It's only 3 out of 44 so I needed about 1:14 to call. But anyway I called since the pot was huge, I knew if I called SB would had called, and if I hit the river the lower straights would have paid me off. Fcking pay back time.Yeah I've already got enough actions.I did what WM love to do after this hand. After a few more hands we as mature adults came to realize that the rake is going to kill us in the long run so I decided to call it a night.Actually the 10/20 and 15/30 lo8 tables at PS are looser and easier to beat than I think (even played 30/60 twice and each time came out positive) after I got a hang of it (a common mistake is many players way over play their hands). I was quite tight actually but for that particular hand since so many call stations called along and I had the button and it's cheap so I put a small bet as well preflop.

[antistuff 0]

The table was fairly loose and I was cracked repeately by call stations such as AA2Kss against 2367 on [68996] (along with other call stations) and A28Jds cracked by QQK3 on the board of [79TLJ]. Yes I knew the pot was laying me 1 to 10 to call and that's the NOT the exact right odds because I didn't have 4 out of 44 remainings to hit. It's only 3 out of 44 so I needed about 1:14 to call. But anyway I called since the pot was huge, I knew if I called SB would had called, and if I hit the river the lower straights would have paid me off. Fcking pay back time.

if you needed 1 to 14 and you were getting 1 to 10 you came up one bet short of breaking even unless im counting wrong. i think its a very loose call.

[GWCGWC 83]

You know you have to hit perfect perfect to win this pot. This isn't your standard line is it?disclaimer: I don't play this high online but with that many preflop and flop callers, it can't be any different than 4/8 live.sidenote: I never see a full ring LO8 game over 3/6 at stars. The limits above this seem to always be 6 max.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

You know you have to hit perfect perfect to win this pot. This isn't your standard line is it?disclaimer: I don't play this high online but with that many preflop and flop callers, it can't be any different than 4/8 live.sidenote: I never see a full ring LO8 game over 3/6 at stars. The limits above this seem to always be 6 max.

Preflop, I was getting 1 to 6.5 with button position in an unraised pot so it's an easy call. The passive call stations in front of me makes the call even better.Flop, as long as I hit my 4 outers the pot won't be splitted and the flop had no flush draw at the moment. But I don't need to hit runner runner so I am not sure about hitting perfect perfect. I need to call 2 SBs into a 16SB pot. Using the quick 2/4 rule I have a rough 16% pot equity so I am priced in and that haven't included the upcoming callers which makes the call more profitable.I've explained the reasons for the calling on the turn.Yes in plo8 I would have folded on the flop immediately with actions.PS always have two or more full tables going at 10/20, 15/30, and 30/60 at night. Sometimes they will get short-handed though. But again I only play Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday nights from 8pm to around midnight pst most of the time.A very loose call on the turn? I can't deny that. But I have some gamblings to do once in a while, especially when the pot grows so big. Put you on my shoes, would you have gamboooooled on the turn?

[antistuff 0]

Pdo once in a while, especially when the pot grows so big. Put you on my shoes, would you have gamboooooled on the turn?

of course. its fun. its close. and it makes a good image for you at the table.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Sht someone say I am a stupid idiot please. It was late and my brain wasn't working properly. There was something obvious and important but I forgot to consider on the turn and it made my call really really bad. Anyway I am glad I put the hand here to discuss and rethink about it.

[GWCGWC 83]

Preflop, I was getting 1 to 6.5 with button position in an unraised pot so it's an easy call. The passive call stations in front of me makes the call even better.Flop, as long as I hit my 4 outers the pot won't be splitted and the flop had no flush draw at the moment. But I don't need to hit runner runner so I am not sure about hitting perfect perfect. I need to call 2 SBs into a 16SB pot. Using the quick 2/4 rule I have a rough 16% pot equity so I am priced in and that haven't included the upcoming callers which makes the call more profitable.I've explained the reasons for the calling on the turn.Yes in plo8 I would have folded on the flop immediately with actions.PS always have two or more full tables going at 10/20, 15/30, and 30/60 at night. Sometimes they will get short-handed though. But again I only play Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday nights from 8pm to around midnight pst most of the time.A very loose call on the turn? I can't deny that. But I have some gamblings to do once in a while, especially when the pot grows so big. Put you on my shoes, would you have gamboooooled on the turn?

Im saying that if you hit your K or 10 you will have to fill or quad for your hand to win. perfect perfector you pick up a str8 redraw on the turn and hit the gut shot on the river. perfect perfectThat being said, there is absolutly nothing wrong with gamboooooooling. I would fold on the flop. AINEC

Sht someone say I am a stupid idiot please. It was late and my brain wasn't working properly. There was something obvious and important but I forgot to consider on the turn and it made my call really really bad. Anyway I am glad I put the hand here to discuss and rethink about it.

You stupid idiot!I'm not sure what's so obvious now, but ummmm glad you won the hand.

[navybuttons 16]

I'm not sure what's so obvious now.

he obviously only has 2 outs at the most.

[Chamonyx 0]

Sht someone say I am a stupid idiot please.

ok

[checkymcfold 0]

Im saying that if you hit your K or 10 you will have to fill or quad for your hand to win. perfect perfector you pick up a str8 redraw on the turn and hit the gut shot on the river. perfect perfectThat being said, there is absolutly nothing wrong with gamboooooooling. I would fold on the flop. AINECYou stupid idiot!I'm not sure what's so obvious now, but ummmm glad you won the hand.

folding the flop would be utterly horrible. we really like four cards, and kinda love four more. all of the hands we can make are scooping hands.i would have to do some quick math on the turn to figure out if 3 outs was priced in, but in a game situation i probably lean call because one, i can't do the math in that big of a pot that fast, and two, you'll be able to get at least a few bets in on the river (people will call the **** out of you in an 18 billion BB pot even if they think you got there) if you spike the hand that will make everyone go ballistic. and if they go ballistic, you win tilt points later, too.so nh.also, all the stars games are insanely soft. 5/10 is either rocky (read: runoverable) or utterly donktastic, 10/20 is full of gamboolers who really overplay one way hands (variance goes way up though), and 15/30 is very similar to 10/20. i haven't played 30/60 in a long time, but it was definitely beatable, just less so than 15/30.

[checkymcfold 0]

cappeletti would say make it three on the flop to chase out bookdoor lows.

since the hands we want to make here preclude the possibility of a low, we are nevereverever 3betting this flop.

[antistuff 0]

since the hands we want to make here preclude the possibility of a low, we are nevereverever 3betting this flop.

while i was making a joke, you are absolutely correct.

[checkymcfold 0]

while i was making a joke, you are absolutely correct.

lol, whiffed on the joke, sorry

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

This is what I am talking about folks. And Navy nailed it.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jkosfcp [Td Kh Ks Tc]Scoupuras: folds Pilchard: folds kodiak5: calls $10gooly1: calls $10Z_R_J: calls $10XO Martin: calls $10SpinettisCom: calls $10jkosfcp: calls $1055lucky55: calls $5Siren: checks *** FLOP *** [Jc 3d 9h]55lucky55: bets $10Siren: folds kodiak5: calls $10gooly1: calls $10Z_R_J: calls $10XO Martin: raises $10 to $20SpinettisCom: calls $20jkosfcp: calls $2055lucky55: calls $10kodiak5: calls $10gooly1: calls $10Z_R_J: calls $10*** TURN *** [Jc 3d 9h] [8h]55lucky55: bets $20kodiak5: raises $20 to $40gooly1: folds Z_R_J: calls $40XO Martin: calls $40SpinettisCom: calls $40jkosfcp: calls $4055lucky55: calls $20*** RIVER *** [Jc 3d 9h 8h] [Qc]55lucky55: checks kodiak5: checks Z_R_J: checks XO Martin: checks SpinettisCom: checks jkosfcp: bets $2055lucky55: calls $20kodiak5: calls $20Z_R_J: folds XO Martin: folds SpinettisCom: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***jkosfcp: shows [Td Kh Ks Tc] (HI: a straight, Nine to King)55lucky55: mucks hand kodiak5: mucks hand jkosfcp collected $517 from potNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $520 | Rake $3 Board [Jc 3d 9h 8h Qc]Seat 1: Scoupuras folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Pilchard folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: kodiak5 mucked [Th Ad 5h Qs]Seat 4: gooly1 folded on the TurnSeat 5: Z_R_J folded on the RiverSeat 6: XO Martin folded on the RiverSeat 7: SpinettisCom folded on the RiverSeat 8: jkosfcp (button) showed [Td Kh Ks Tc] and won ($517) with HI: a straight, Nine to KingSeat 9: 55lucky55 (small blind) mucked [Ts 8s 5c 7h] LOL Seat 10: Siren (big blind) folded on the Flop

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Ok, just try to conclude something from this hand so it will benefit on our future plays.1. When we are calculating our outs, we also need to consider the possibility of our villains holding our outs.2. Do not chase the idiot end of a straight like SB did, especially in a loose multi-way pot.3. When we have a made hand (like SB did) we need to estimate if our made hand is good enough, ie, is it the nut? especially in a loose multi-way pot.Now I remember when I made the flop decision to call there's something telling me that's not a good call, but I ignored it and just thought about the pot odds. I should had thought a little deeper on the flop, with so many callers someone was bounded to chase for the straight which means my out(s) could be in their hands, so laying it down on the flop could be a better decision. Anyone wants to discuss about this?Oh well making the wrong decisions at the right time.

[navybuttons 16]

Ok, just try to conclude something from this hand so it will benefit on our future plays.1. When we are calculating our outs, we also need to consider the possibility of our villains holding our outs.2. Do not chase the idiot end of a straight like SB did, especially in a loose multi-way pot.3. When we have a made hand (like SB did) we need to estimate if our made hand is good enough, ie, is it the nut? especially in a loose multi-way pot.Now I remember when I made the flop decision to call there's something telling me that's not a good call, but I ignored it and just thought about the pot odds. I should had thought a little deeper on the flop, with so many callers someone was bounded to chase for the straight which means my out(s) could be in their hands, so laying it down on the flop could be a better decision. Anyone wants to discuss about this?Oh well making the wrong decisions at the right time.

read my above comment, it was pretty obvious (especially on the 2 bet turn) that one of your outs was probably dead. the only way you still have three outs is if the guy who's already made his straight has the Qh. either way you have to calculate drawing slimmer than you thought. i don't mind drawing at gutterballs but i like to have more back up.

[checkymcfold 0]

read my above comment, it was pretty obvious (especially on the 2 bet turn) that one of your outs was probably dead. the only way you still have three outs is if the guy who's already made his straight has the Qh. either way you have to calculate drawing slimmer than you thought. i don't mind drawing at gutterballs but i like to have more back up.

on the turn, i agree, it's likely that 1 of your outs is dead, but i don't think you can assume that's true often enough based on the flop action alone. people will call flops with very marginal draws (like yours, lol) in potentially gargantuan pots.