Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Preflop: Sexy is CO with , . UTG raises, 4 folds, Sexy calls, 3 folds.Flop: (5.40 SB) , , (2 players)UTG bets, Sexy raises, UTG calls.Turn: (4.70 BB) (2 players)UTG checks, Sexy bets, UTG calls.River: (6.70 BB) (2 players)UTG checks, Sexy bets....I've played about 4 hands of 30.This player has been solid/passive 19/4/0.3 only 27 hands, though Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 to add, old Actuary, took free cards and cheked/folded river UI Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 i love floating people.a solid player isnt often calling your turn bet with ui overs unless its qk. i think you are getting called on that river a whole lot. its a great bet for image but at that limit is anybody really watching? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 a solid player isnt often calling your turn bet with ui overs unless its qk.wouldn't a solid player have 3-bet or lead with over pairs/sets.And would they really put me on a free card raise on that flop? Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 wouldn't a solid player have 3-bet or lead with over pairs/sets.And would they really put me on a free card raise on that flop?which is my point. when he calls your turn bet he (in my eyes) sucks. i expect to get called with ak or aq a whole lot on that river, unless youve seen him call the turn before and fold the river in a similar situation. i mean i guess it cant be a bad bet, but im not sure its a good one. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 Even if they call the turn with overs, they may fold the river. They might suck at math or hope I'm as bluffing dope or, will check behind with something like QJ and they can see for free.I think I have to bet the river after betting turnObviously, I was King of SLAPs before and would have not put anymore money in after the flop, UI. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 You don't HAVE to bet the river when you bet the turn. The turn was a continuation semi-bluff, and he looked like he wanted to look you up. He could be on a draw, too (which we always beat, unless it's exactly QK), which would be good for our hand. He might have something like AdQd, which would explain the turn call. I think- against this player- I'm slightly more concerned that he'll call down. I think this is the best spot for a free-card play. We're heads up, likely against two overs, and our opponent is pretty passive. No reason to get into a dookie match here. Against a guy like this, I'm inclined to give him a little credit, realize I have less fold-equity than normal, and try to get to the river for a single extra small bet. But I don't mind firing at the turn. He's pretty solid, so he looks like he's going to fold most hands when he has absolute air. To bet the river, you have to be certain he has KQ, AK or AQ, because he'll call with anything else. And there's a good chance he'll look you up with AK/AQ (but players like this DO like to fold rivers U/I more than they should). It's probably pretty close, but I think my ordered set of preferences is:Raise flop, check turn, fold river UIRaise flop, bet turn, bet river UIRaise flop, bet turn, check river UII think option one is easily our best, with option two and option three being relatively close. He'll make a bad laydown 1/8 times here, right? Wang Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 I don't see overs calling me down here.This board does not say "I have nothing but a draw, call me down"But then again, I don't have much experience bluffing rivers, so I'm not sure what to expect. I used to be the guy who would c/c a lot of rivers with AQ when the obvious draws missed and they were only calling me on flop and turngiven, I don't play fast and loose, I would expect overs to almost always fold. Certainly, over 1/3 times Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It's probably pretty close, but I think my ordered set of preferences is:Raise flop, check turn, fold river UIRaise flop, bet turn, bet river UIRaise flop, bet turn, check river UIAgainst a lot of players and depending how youve been playing i think this turn should be a bet more than a check. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Against a lot of players and depending how youve been playing i think this turn should be a bet more than a check.Well, how about this player? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 imo, the board makes it a turn betHe has overs a lot, I have set enough, or at least some piece Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 imo, the board makes it a turn betHe has overs a lot, I have set enough, or at least some pieceYup. As long as you're sure this guy peels with overs, you're surely correct. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Well, how about this player?lol let me go play a hundred hands or so with him and ill get back to you. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 lol let me go play a hundred hands or so with him and ill get back to you.Alright. No need to be a jackass about it. At least say "most players at this level" or "the average player."Wang Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Alright. No need to be a jackass about it. At least say "most players at this level" or "the average player."Wangsorry that was me trying to be friendly. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I like the hand though imo the villian probably still calls you with ak but it is a pretty standard hand and you can blame stars for not helping you out with your good play Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 dbl post Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 sorry that was me trying to be friendly.you may have caught Wang in a fit of soberness. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 you may have caught Wang in a fit of soberness.nh Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Did anyone point out this is an UTG raise? Did we have any stats on him?I don't hate this line. I think his range, you have to bet the river after betting the turn though. His hand almost ALWAYS beats Q-high here. It's an UTG raise. HE doesn't have a different draw that we beat. Betting the river MAY fold AK, AQ, AJ. It MAY fold a smaller pair even. It only has to fold him 13% of the time to show a profit. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Did anyone point out this is an UTG raise? Did we have any stats on him?I don't hate this line. I think his range, you have to bet the river after betting the turn though. His hand almost ALWAYS beats Q-high here. It's an UTG raise. HE doesn't have a different draw that we beat. Betting the river MAY fold AK, AQ, AJ. It MAY fold a smaller pair even. It only has to fold him 13% of the time to show a profit.That was my thinkin on the hand too which is why i felt he would probably call with ak type hands...but its a solid play if you think the villian will lay down ace high Link to post Share on other sites
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