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[CaneBrain]

Ok I havent posted a hand on here yet but I finally found one to post so here goes:Live game...5/10 NL (2500 max buy in)I have about 4250 in front of me....7 players total at the table. I am on the button. I get dealt AK of spades. Guy in 5th position bumps it to 50. I re-raise to 250. He flat calls VERY QUICKLY. I am concerned. Flop comes:Ah 10s 6sI like this flop obviously. He checks. I make a pot sized bet of 500. He instantly re-raises me and goes all in (He started the hand with about 2500 so it was 1700 more to call roughly.)So what do you guys do here?? I will post what happened and my thinking behind it in a little bit....Andrew

[Devilkin]

There is one A on the board, one A in your had, so the odds are strongly against him having AA in his hand.On this flop, Im thinking trips, or AK/AQ/AJ.We need your read on this player here - is he a rock, tight-agressive, loose?I think on this one you are going to split the pot to AK.Dev

[commoncents]

Hes got A10i fold the AK and flush draw. wait for a better hand

[Downtown Parker]

I busted out in a live tournament in Tunica two weeks ago in the exact same situation, i had AK of spades, flop was Ah 8s 5s...... we got all in on the flop, he had 8d 5c!!!!!!!!!!!no spades came.

[tazmision89]

I would call since I have TPTK and the "nut" flush draw. But that's me. I would think he has AK or AQ. Him having pocket A's doesn't seem likely. Most definitely I would call his reraise.

[SabaAba]

To be honest, I don't need to know anything about the opponent. I need to know about you. Do you regularly play at this game and are you an overall winner? If you are, then the 1700 (which is basically your whole profit for the session is on the line, but it shouldn't bother you if you lost it, so I call. You have TPTK and are drawing to the nuts. However, I think you are gambling here because he has either TT or 66, I'm thinking TT. So you still have 9 outs to the nuts, and the only way he cancels your nuts if runner runner pair the board or the ever so kind quads. pot is about 1500 ($500 preflop plus $500 flop bet and call) and it's about 1700 more to you, you are getting odds to just call even if you had nut flush draw. Add that you have TPTK, and I think you are a show in for the call. He could have AT suited, but then you have 3 more outs with your K and in that case you are a 50/50 almost, so you must call.Interested to know how you played it out. The only hand that has you dominated is AA, but you still then have 9 outs which still justifies the call.The more I type the more I think you must call.Waiting for results.....

[Scott31]

Pretty easy call here really IMO. 1500 to call in approximately with 3200 to win, which is a little more than 2-1 on your call. Let's look at his range of possible hands.Td Th- He's 70% to win this hand and this is about the worst situation...which in itself isn't too bad66- Doubtful he'd quick call with this Preflop, but you're in the same situation as above...I'd all but rule this out.AT- You're just about a coin flip with this hand. He's 54% to win here...easily worth a call with your 2-1 pot oddsAA- You're in trouble with this as with any other set. If he smooth called PF with bullets, he may has your K outs killed and you're just drawing to your flush. AK- This gets my vote for his actual holding. This and aces are about the only two hands that require no thought PF on calling your reraise. If this is true, you're free rolling to your flush.AQ-You got him absolutely murdered if he has this. This and AK are the realest of possibilities.I think you're freerolling toward your flush here and the pot odds are close enough even if you have a good inkling that he has a set to call. Unless he actually shows you 2 tens, I'd say this is an easy call.

[chugs]

To me that's a simple call on pot odds alone.The only hand that has me totally freaked is AA or a set. But even then you're getting the right price against him. Plus you have TPTK, you may very well be ahead.

[Scott31]

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However, I think you are gambling here because he has either TT or 66, I'm thinking TT.

I don't. Holding 66 or TT to a 5x reraise PF requires some thought. Unless this guy is a true crazy gambler and falls in love with any pp and any ace, then I'd say he does not have Tens or sixes, although it's a possibility obviously. If you're in the opponent's situation and you have TT and get repopped PF, you're really going to question your hand and as to whether or not you are a 4-1 dog. This isn't some micro limit table, so I'm assuming this guy has some clue as to what hands are good and what aren't. He has AK or AQ, I think.

[Blackchipper]

yes, odds are against AA, but i don't think it'd impossible.... honestly, I dont think hed raise that much with A10 preflop, and I dont think hed go instantly all in with AK OR AQ.He has 10 10 or A A.... I think he had you beat but you sucked out an hit your nut flush.Let me know if I was right.

[dtemp]

Man this is hard. He either has the set of tens or AK. If he has the set of tens you aren't getting the odds to call. But if he has Ak, well then, hell, that's a rare holdem freeroll.I would have to say this is completely player dependent but the check raise just seems so much like top pair to me.

[Scott31]

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However, I think you are gambling here because he has either TT or 66, I'm thinking TT.

Not quite the right price. 1500 to call to win 3200= 2.13-1 ...if he's up against a set, he's 2.3-1 to lose. Although worth a call for the times the guy doesn't have that.

[SabaAba]

Scott31 said:

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However, I think you are gambling here because he has either TT or 66, I'm thinking TT.

I don't. Holding 66 or TT to a 5x reraise PF requires some thought. Unless this guy is a true crazy gambler and falls in love with any pp and any ace, then I'd say he does not have Tens or sixes, although it's a possibility obviously. If you're in the opponent's situation and you have TT and get repopped PF, you're really going to question your hand and as to whether or not you are a 4-1 dog. This isn't some micro limit table, so I'm assuming this guy has some clue as to what hands are good and what aren't. He has AK or AQ, I think.

If I'm playing a not limit game, I would rather call $200 more whenthe pot has $300+ in it with TT than AQ, am I the only one that thinks this? 66 would be hard to call with, but TT is a pretty decent hand. I would make that call with TT any day, am I wrong? If he had JJ should he have called preflop?How about QQ? All three of those hands are the same against AK, are are dominated the same against AA or KK, so I don't see a difference. Maybe the QQ is a tougher call, but would a guy reraise to $250 with AQ?

[Scott31]

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He flat calls VERY QUICKLY.

If this doesn't help you rule out TT and 66, then you need to re-evaluate how you read people. I'd say about 75% of the time that this means AK or AQ in this situation. Could he have TT? Sure. But like I said before, TT requires some thought PF with a big reraise. If the guy is loose and crazy, then TT becomes more of a real possibility.

[SabaAba]

Scott31 said:

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He flat calls VERY QUICKLY.

If this doesn't help you rule out TT and 66, then you need to re-evaluate how you read people. I'd say about 75% of the time that this means AK or AQ in this situation. Could he have TT? Sure. But like I said before, TT requires some thought PF with a big reraise. If the guy is loose and crazy, then TT becomes more of a real possibility.

So you're saying that if you were holding AQ, you are calling this reraise quicker than if you are holding TT?I think the opposite, that reraise smells like AK to me, if I'm holding AQ, I am totally dominated, I fold that hand quicker than 83o, TT I have a good shot of winning. The only downside is that if the flop is 852 rainbow, I can easily get rid of AQ, but TT could cost me if he has a big pair. But if he has a big pair and the flop is Q73, I am losing too.

[bsabres81]

Unless this guy is a very bad player, the only two hands he can have are AK and 10 10. Smooth-calling with AA out of position is a tremendous mistake. It' s also unlikely he called that raise with 66, unless you have been super-aggressive. He simply cannot have AQ if he has a clue how to play. Despite what some have said, you aren't getting the right price if you are up against a set. However, since it is slightly more likely that he has AK, a call is correct here.

[Scott31]

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I would rather call $200 more whenthe pot has $300+ in it with TT than AQ, am I the only one that thinks this?

Sure, I like TT better than AQ, but TT is harder to play on the flop than AQ. The only reason I like TT better is because of this and the fact that AQ is murdered by AK

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f he had JJ should he have called preflop?How about QQ?All three of those hands are the same against AK, are are dominated the same against AA or KK, so I don't see a difference. Maybe the QQ is a tougher call, but would a guy reraise to $250 with AQ?

Well, obviously the bigger the pps, the easier the decision gets. The original poster has done nothing to say that he doesn't have AA, KK, QQ, JJ. That's why it's a hard call with TT and that AK is a hand that many players would quick call with. I don't think it's likely that the guy has AQ, I just said it's a possibility. I really think the opponent has AK and the OP is freerolling. TENS REQUIRE SOME THOUGHT. AK does not really. There's a reason AK is a top five hand and tens are not. It's very difficult to play tens when an overcard or 2 hits on the board. Not rocket science.

[Ganador]

I've seen enough guys calls a big raise in a game with those stakes enough times to say he could easily have AQ. I must say with the nut flush draw to boot, no way i am mucking that hand.

[AK33]

This is a tough spot. Your read on this guy should help the situation, it would also help to know if the standard raise in this game is $50 or is it more/less? I'm assuming it's a standard raise so it comes back to what kind of player this guy is. If he plays ultra tight then I would have to put him on AA, AK, maybe AQ. I don't see a call for $250 with tens or sixes although it's possible, again depending on the player. If he's looser then AA doesn't worry me as much because of the sheer odds against him holding this hand. So I'm thinkin the only hand that worries me if he's a tight player is AA, the quick call preflop screams of big strength to me but I don't he would have put you on a flush draw therefore not requiring the all in push, he might even have KK or QQ again depending on if he's a gambler. I think if he had trip aces he would not have pushed because against one opponent I'm not too worried about the flush draw. I don't know I keep going back and forth in my mind whether or not he could hold AA. I'd call here, I think you're ahead and even if you're not you have nine outs to the nuts unless the board pairs somewhere. I'd have to call, it's too good and you have plenty of outs even if you are behind. ~Slick~

[Swift_Psycho]

I probably call this.