Not Scared. Jj

[Actuary 3]

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Preflop: MicroStud is MP1 with , . 1 fold, MicroStud raises, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.Flop: (9.50 SB) , , (4 players)MicroStud bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls.Turn: (6.75 BB) (4 players)MicroStud bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls.River: (10.75 BB) (4 players)MicroStud bets.....

[RISEorFall 0]

i dont like it., not with 3 others still inHU i betcheck and call one back, id probably even overcall one. fold for two

[Actuary 3]

i dont like it., not with 3 others still inHU i betcheck and call one back, id probably even overcall one. fold for two

why?Are you hoping a K doesn't bet ?Are you expecting any missed draws to bluff now ?With more players in the pot, we have a better chance of getting called on a bet by a worse hand or two.We only save a bet when better hands don't bet; and being OOP, makes that tough to know.

[Zach6668 513]

I play it the same:Absolute PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $1/$27 playersConverterPre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with J J UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: Q 2 4 (10SB, 5 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: 8 (7BB, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, 2 folds, SB calls.River: 3 (9BB, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.Results:Final pot: 11BBHero Shows Jd JhSB Shows 5c QdBleh, this hand is different, due to position, but I thought of it while reading this post, so there it is anyways.

[kkot 0]

I'll bet the flop, but shut down when we get three callers.

[Actuary 3]

I'll bet the flop, but shut down when we get three callers.

One reason I dropped in Limits as I am restarting Limit was to build up the "courage" to bet this turn and river. No flop raise makes me think I'm ahead enough to bet out. More callers just means more value in a bet.these players are very loose.It make SSHE applicable again

[antistuff 0]

is microstud your stars name?

[Actuary 3]

is microstud your stars name?

lol.no

[Mattnxtc 0]

are we ever ahead when we get 3 callers on the flop and turn? IMO the river is a wasted bet and the turn is possibly one too

[Actuary 3]

are we ever ahead when we get 3 callers on the flop and turn? IMO the river is a wasted bet and the turn is possibly one too

yeah because mid pairs never call the flopand flush draws and oesdsand PP'sand TP always just callschecking turn is disgustingThe bet makes MORE sense 4 handed than HU.what would you do on turn and river, Matt?

[Mattnxtc 0]

I could see betting the turn...although i could also see c/c or c/f depending on who betsriver is same to me..c/f or c/c...i just find it hard to believe we win this pot near enough times to justify a river bet...in a raised pot preflop and three callers on the flop and turn...i just dont expect to win this often

[antistuff 0]

lol.no

any chance on divulging?

[Actuary 3]

I could see betting the turn...although i could also see c/c or c/f depending on who betsriver is same to me..c/f or c/c...i just find it hard to believe we win this pot near enough times to justify a river bet...in a raised pot preflop and three callers on the flop and turn...i just dont expect to win this often

you lose the same with c/c as you do with bet/fold on the riveryou win less thoughI hate checking that turn

any chance on divulging?

it's CancerSucksI'm going to AP soon though.

[Zach6668 513]

you lose the same with c/c as you do with bet/fold on the riveryou win less thoughI hate checking that turnit's CancerSucksI'm going to AP soon though.

Good idea. I need more dead money.

[Mattnxtc 0]

you lose the same with c/c as you do with bet/fold on the riveryou win less though

not what i meant...if i thought it was a donk who was more likely to bluff bet that would be a time i woudl consider calling..more...but if theres a bet and a call or 2 i dont expect to be ahead and would fold

[RISEorFall 0]

you lose the same with c/c as you do with bet/fold on the riveryou win less though

you also sometimes fold the best hand to donks who raise with less than TP or missed AQ or draw. i've been seeing this very frequently lately. i dont know how much it would happen in a mutli way pot.turn is easy bet. im not sure river is easy bet though, but im cool with it. in a pot this big we get called down by lots that we beat.

[Actuary 3]

not what i meant...if i thought it was a donk who was more likely to bluff bet that would be a time i woudl consider calling..more...but if theres a bet and a call or 2 i dont expect to be ahead and would fold

I'm not saying I"m an expert on this idea; but you realize it's ok to bet even when you expect to be an underdog when called, as long as you are less of an underdog when called, than when you check/call, right. Or said better, you assume he calls with a wider range than he bets ?That assumes we are not bluff raised.But it also helps eliminate the bad fold when we don't want to overcall and we are good 1/13 times.And, given we lose 1 BB but may win 2 sometimes, I think betting here is more important than betting HU. Also, we are less likely to get a bluffer here to bet for us. (which you'd fold often to anyway depending on other action and who's left to act)Betting river >>> Checking. Yes?I'd love more input.

[TheCinciKid 0]

Haven't read replies...No problems with it as long as you're folding to a raise. At this limit, it's probably pretty likely that somebody has a raggedy K, but without a specific read that the bettor is very passive, you have to call a bet anyway, so you might as well go ahead and bet it yourself.

[TheCinciKid 0]

I play it the same:Absolute PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $1/$27 playersConverterPre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with J J UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: Q 2 4 (10SB, 5 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: 8 (7BB, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, 2 folds, SB calls.River: 3 (9BB, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.Results:Final pot: 11BBHero Shows Jd JhSB Shows 5c QdBleh, this hand is different, due to position, but I thought of it while reading this post, so there it is anyways.

Wow, this just makes me want to puke. Villain made a semi-crummy call pre-flop, then played very passively, blah. Nothin' you can do but make a note of it and move on though.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

I'm not saying I"m an expert on this idea; but you realize it's ok to bet even when you expect to be an underdog when called, as long as you are less of an underdog when called, than when you check/call, right. Or said better, you assume he calls with a wider range than he bets ?That assumes we are not bluff raised.But it also helps eliminate the bad fold when we don't want to overcall and we are good 1/13 times.And, given we lose 1 BB but may win 2 sometimes, I think betting here is more important than betting HU. Also, we are less likely to get a bluffer here to bet for us. (which you'd fold often to anyway depending on other action and who's left to act)Betting river >>> Checking. Yes?I'd love more input.

If I'm playing against complete unknowns (which is usually the case, because I'm rarely conscious) I play the flop like this, then check the turn. Actually, fuck that... I'd rather try to check/raise the flop OOP, depending on how aggressive our opponents are. Kx hands are coming along, and we'd like an LP player to bet so we can knock AxXx or QxXx hands to muck, not to mention random draws. If the action comes back bad, we can probably get away.We got called in 3 spots on the flop, and we're fading a ton of outs to the river. I don't hate betting this turn into the field, but I don't love it, either. I'll probably have to think about it. (think think) Dammit, I bet the turn. I'd rather see the hand played with a flop c/r, but- given action- I bet the turn, too. Seems like we're getting smoked by a random king much of the time, but if we get Aces and Queens to fold when we're ahead, it's a good bet. (Which is whhy I like check/raising the flop, BTW). Plus we have to charge lame draws, middle pairs, bottom pairs, and super crappy hands that have no bussiness hanging around.Anyway.Wang

[Actuary 3]

given pf action, at this level, we get a check thru too often .When we do see a bet, it's a K enough to probably make a c/r worth while only as a way to see that he 3-bets us.In any event, the K comes along at least, as you say. Although I think Qx folds a lot anyway for 1, while Ax won't always fold. I think the lead has more value because we are called by more worse hands and it never checks thru.given a slightly scarier board or a better chance to fold Ax or a certainty that we get a LP bet, I would like a c/r better as well. As is, I probably put less emphasis on the opportunity and result of trying to protect my hand better with a c/r.How about the river, Wang ?I love talking limit poker. Seriously. Stupid 10c/20c game and I can analize this shizz all night

[Shimmering Wang 1]

How have your opponents played? Is anyone calling w/56s? How about ragged Kx hands?I feel like a jerk, but I really have no idea how .1/.2 games play. That's probably why I advocated the flop c/r. I may've been wrong about that. Given the play so far, I'll probably check/call the river. I usually won't overcall, unless there's a good reason. (There is probably a good reason to be found here.) It's tough to see a Kx hand not finding a raise anywhere during this hand, but maybe you can find a fold if somebody bets from MP, and someone calls. I HATE my analysis so far. I'm going to keep thinking.WangEDIT- Bet the river. Sorry.