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[tskillz187]

UB never converts for me, sorry guys.

DirtyDonny is UTG and has a stack around $200.00, I have about $240.00.


BurroBuster: -- -- jacktarv: -- -- bolbol: -- -- K00L_Aid: 7s As Smooth-Rider: -- -- GermanSupreme: -- -- redesire: -- -- Dirty Donny: -- --
Pre-flop: Dirty Donny raises to $7. BurroBuster folds. jacktarv folds. bolbol folds. K00L_Aid calls. Smooth-Rider folds. GermanSupreme folds. redesire folds.
Flop (board: 6s Js Qs): Dirty Donny bets $12. K00L_Aid raises to $30. Dirty Donny goes all-in for $181.25. K00L_Aid calls.
Turn (board: 6s Js Qs 9s): (no action in this round)
River (board: 6s Js Qs 9s 3c): (no action in this round)

Okay, Donny had about $200 in his stack when he raised UTG. When he is that deepstacked I'll call him with any PP and most suited gappers and connectors. Ax suited is an okay call as long as I remind myself that I need to hit the flop twice before I'll play for big money, IMO.

He continuation bets at $12 into $16. His bet doesn't tell me much as I assume he would do this with any two cards. Now, if I smooth call his $12, he may fire again on the turn, a spade may make him shut down, though he may represent it, and he may just shut down after I call his flop bet. If I raise, I give him the chance to try and blow me off of the hand if he thinks that I'm bluffing, also if he has the Q or better I give him the chance to "protect" his top pair. That is exactly what he decided to do in this hand and he shoved at me with only runner runner outs.

Sorry if this comes off as me talking down to you guys, it is cross-posted in my blog. I just want to make sure that this is pretty standard, I feel like the game is fairly soft but my specialty is the bigger MTTs on UB.

[DaBruins]

wouldn't a stack of 200 be the norm at a 200max table?

Anyway, I'd say standard standard. Half the time I fold preflop, half the time i don't. Depends on factors.

[tskillz187]

wouldn't a stack of 200 be the norm at a 200max table?

Anyway, I'd say standard standard. Half the time I fold preflop, half the time i don't. Depends on factors.

Well yeah it's the max. But lotta people buy in for $100ish because that's what they buy in for at casinos I assume. I just stated that it's deepstacked because he has 100BBs. If he only had $100, I wouldn't call PF.

[pokerplayer24]

I dont like preflop.

I like the flop. In this spot you're a lot more likely it to get it in on the flop then the turn / river since so many cards are scare cards.

[offset]

I don't like preflop at all. I probably prefer raising a little more on the flop.

[tskillz187]

Why wouldn't you call this PF when it represents 1/28 of his stack and even less of mine? I also have position on him and I'll find out pretty cheaply where I am at on the flop.

What does that 7 have to be for you guys to call? 10?

I don't see why it's bad to play a hand thats value is less than the raisers if you know that your hand has a lower value. I'm not going to chunk off $80 on this hand or anything. If an A comes he bets I raise small if he stays in I check behind on the flop and reevaulate if he fires at me on the river. If I miss the A or spade draw I muck it and it's $7 lost.

[No_Neck]

Why wouldn't you call this PF when it represents 1/28 of his stack and even less of mine? I also have position on him and I'll find out pretty cheaply where I am at on the flop.

What does that 7 have to be for you guys to call? 10?

I don't see why it's bad to play a hand thats value is less than the raisers if you know that your hand has a lower value. I'm not going to chunk off $80 on this hand or anything. If an A comes he bets I raise small if he stays in I check behind on the flop and reevaulate if he fires at me on the river. If I miss the A or spade draw I muck it and it's $7 lost.

I play the hand exactly like this, I don't call A7s unless the player raising is a donkey and will go broke with something stupid.

Against a good player I don't think the implied odds are there.

[petersun]

Didn't think 200NL players are this bad =) Therefore, I wouldn't think I'd get the implied odds to make this play.

I'm really surprised he pushed. According to your post, he had runner runner outs. Did he have something like KsQx?

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well known is this: "Never go all-in with just a King-high flush draw.".

[fleung22]

Discussion on how to play the nuts is kind've boring don't you think?

Ram and jam, slowplay...more of a preference than anything.

[tskillz187]

Discussion on how to play the nuts is kind've boring don't you think?

Ram and jam, slowplay...more of a preference than anything.

I don't know if you are joking or not, but I don't agree with this at all. And, I agree it isn't that crazy a hand or anything.

Maybe I'll post more with some other hands I play, that would be of more interest. I don't get to play that often though, but when the semester ends I should be able to log some significant hours.

I'm not sure how I feel about NL cash game criticism though, I feel like a lot has to do with image and feel. Something that cannot effectively be transferred in a HH, it's the same as why it is hard to give good heads up analysis.

As for the other poster that said they wouldn't think there was enough poor play at $200 max. There are really bad players at every limit. I think 1-2 is one of the softest games online because it's what a lot of people play at the casino and they refuse to step down. I know when I first deposited I had too much pride to go lower and lost money at it first.

Edit: Oh and for the running outs, he did not have the K of spades. I was talking about runner runner full houses.

[krup24]

I play the hand exactly like this, I don't call A7s unless the player raising is a donkey and will go broke with something stupid.

Against a good player I don't think the implied odds are there.

agreed.

this isn't really deepstacked poker IMO because both players are sitting near max buyins. i would consider deepstacked here stacks of $500+. not really the implied odds here to make this call pf especially against a relatively competent villian.

what if flop came 2 3 7 or A 2 6?

[petersun]

As for the other poster that said they wouldn't think there was enough poor play at $200 max. There are really bad players at every limit. I think 1-2 is one of the softest games online because it's what a lot of people play at the casino and they refuse to step down. I know when I first deposited I had too much pride to go lower and lost money at it first.

I went and watched some of the 200NL games. You are right, there is a lot of bad play there too. I can't wait to have a bankroll big enough to move up to that level =)

Edit: Oh and for the running outs, he did not have the K of spades. I was talking about runner runner full houses.

Got it.