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[DonkSlayer]

This happened last night in a home-game tourney with mostly quality players.

Both players know each other very well.

Player A: Finesse player, pretty strong. A little bit of a calling station on the turn and river if he thinks he was strong/had the best hand preflop and on the flop.
Often waits until the turn or river to wake up when he is way ahead. Believes Player B is better than him preflop but that he thinks he can outplay B postflop.

Player B: Tricky. Especially short-handed, prefers to play big pots and make opponents have tough decisions. Semi-bluffs/stabs a lot, never with air but with a range varying from monster to drawing. Believes player A is better than him postflop and knows that player A believes it.


Stacks are even at about 900/950 with blinds 15/30.

Player B completes with . Player A checks with .

Flop .

Player A leads for t90 (can't recall whether it was check/bet or lead). Player raises to t200 after very little deliberation. Player A reraises to t500 after not much deliberation either. Player B thinks thinks thinks thinks, and reraises allin to just over t900, covering Player A just slightly. Player A deliberates for just a moment and calls.


Thoughts on the plays? Ranges for each player if you were the other?

[socdave01]

if i was player B, and I was up against an opponent that i thought i had an advantage over, i would lay this down after the reraise to 500. if i was up against something who i thought would give me a hard time, i would shove it all in and hope to get lucky. personally, i would have folded this, as i hate going all in with just the OESD+backdoor FD.

[tskillz187]

if i was player B, and I was up against an opponent that i thought i had an advantage over, i would lay this down after the reraise to 500. if i was up against something who i thought would give me a hard time, i would shove it all in and hope to get lucky. personally, i would have folded this, as i hate going all in with just the OESD+backdoor FD.

+ Overcard to the board. I don't think its horrible of Q4 or of KK. At first read I thought the person who was scared to play post flop checked the KK in his blind. Kind of confusing that you list Player B first with the cards.

I think you both played it fine. KK got all in with a pretty big favorite on the flop and cant be angry with his play. Q4 ran into an overpair to his Q which is very unlikely.

Once the tricky player raises to 500, you can't fold if you think its a flip. he could have a flush draw where he is slight advantage, but your Q high is good, he could have A5, 56, hands that you are slightly behind, or he could have you beat good with two pair. I don't mind getting it in here with someone that I think I will have trouble with.

[DonkSlayer]

I think you both played it fine. KK got all in with a pretty big favorite on the flop and cant be angry with his play. Q4 ran into an overpair to his Q which is very unlikely.

Once the tricky player raises to 500,

Remember, B is the tricky player and A with the KK reraised to 500.

[tskillz187]

Remember, B is the tricky player and A with the KK reraised to 500.

I dont care about the tricky monicker, it is your topic and all so maybe im wrong. A tricky player that believe he is worse postflop than his opponent means that hes either going to make big mistakes, or that he won't be so tricky.

I think this hand really plays itself, if you can put "solid player" on a range of hands that includes 4x, two spades lower than Q, pairs lower than Q, then to a lesser extent, overpairs and 2pr or better, then you have to reraise all in with your Q4. You've already invested 20% of your stack in a position that you usually have 11 outs in.

I'm fine with that. Especially when you admit that the other guy is better postflop in a heads up match where you each have 300 BBs.

[DonkSlayer]

I dont care about the tricky monicker, it is your topic and all so maybe im wrong. A tricky player that believe he is worse postflop than his opponent means that hes either going to make big mistakes, or that he won't be so tricky.

I think this hand really plays itself, if you can put "solid player" on a range of hands that includes 4x, two spades lower than Q, pairs lower than Q, then to a lesser extent, overpairs and 2pr or better, then you have to reraise all in with your Q4. You've already invested 20% of your stack in a position that you usually have 11 outs in.

I'm fine with that. Especially when you admit that the other guy is better postflop in a heads up match where you each have 30 BBs.

FYP. Good points, I tend to agree with you. In your experience, do players with our A's personality push more often with KK/AA and reraise more often with 88-JJ, or the other way around?

[tskillz187]

FYP. Good points, I tend to agree with you. In your experience, do players with our A's personality push more often with KK/AA and reraise more often with 88-JJ, or the other way around?

Do you mean PF? I'm not sure I understand the question.

[DonkSlayer]

Do you mean PF? I'm not sure I understand the question.

Postflop. Asking, does AA/KK push on the flop more often than reraise, vs. JJ/1010/99.

[tskillz187]

Postflop. Asking, does AA/KK push on the flop more often than reraise, vs. JJ/1010/99.

Hmm. I think he may push instead of go to 500 with 99-JJ. He doesn't want to see a scare card to his overpair, with KK and AA way less chance of overcard coming and he can risk a smooth call at 500.