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#1 gary21212121

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 09:52 PM

ok ok ok... this is a simple one....

1 1/5 hr into MTT.... ave stack is around 5.5k and you have 3.3k

full table- blinds 100/200 w/ 25

UTG hero picks up AKo and raises to 600

fold to small blind (above ave. stack) who re pops to 2000

with no read on the villian... what do u do here most of the time?

A- Fold, and wait for a better spot

B- Push, and most likely take a race

C- Call, and try and get away with a stop and go w only 1400 behind

D- Change preflop action

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 09:56 PM

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 10:19 PM

Buy-in and pay structure I think changes the decision...

I'd push, you're only slaughtered by AA and KK...

Depends on the payout structure and stuff, I think, to make a more thoughtful decision.
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Posted 04 December 2006 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (BeaverStyle @ Monday, December 4th, 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Buy-in and pay structure I think changes the decision...

I'd push, you're only slaughtered by AA and KK...

Depends on the payout structure and stuff, I think, to make a more thoughtful decision.

30+3 on stars... i think there were around 600 who started... down to 175ish...

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 11:05 PM

Hmmm... what's sbs range? Probably TT-AA, AK.
9 combos=.50, 18 combos=.45, 3 combos=.30, 3 combos=.05

13.65/33=.4136 so your remaing chips must be less than 41% of the future pot for pushing to be the right play. It looks like pushing is correct, although I haven't calculated the pot.

Did I do that right?

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 01:18 AM

I would have pushed to begin with, and then there'd be no further decision. After all, you had an M of 6, and a Q of 0.6; and furthermore, you were in early position. Pushing takes away other players' ability to use their position against you after the flop (that isn't an issue with the SB of course--but it could have been, had you been called by any of the seven players acting between you two).

But of course you weren't absolutely required to push (like you would be if your stack was a little shorter). In that borderline situation, very near the Red Zone, it strikes me that you'd have two reasons to go with a conventional raise (though shouldn't your raise be bigger with antes in play?) rather than pushing: (1) to have a better chance of getting action; or (2) to have a chance to get away from the hand if someone comes over the top.

So: if it's action you wanted, you got it--though you probably would have preferred a call instead of a raise, sounds like. If you wanted to have the opportunity to get away from the hand, well, you got that too--but you didn't totally want that either, or you wouldn't have posed the question.

Strikes me there's a decent chance the small blind is trying to be a bully. He way outchips you, you made a kind of small raise, and you raised his blind, so he's defending it aggressively. Also, he had better than 2 to 1 pot odds to call (once again underlining why the raise was too small). But simply calling would put you in position after the flop, another reason an over-the-top reraise becomes attractive to SB. Could well be a race situation, but I'd expand the SB's range considerably beyond what offset listed. In fact, I wouldn't rule out a weaker ace or even an outright bluff. I think you probably need to push here.




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