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#1 TruePoker

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 03:41 PM

Ok, Since I did it all wrong this time I am sure of a bad beat !dealt to Lefish1 [Kd Kh]Chippy9: foldsirons: foldsHowmuch: foldsLefish1: raises to 600_dean_: raises to 865 and is all-inKinghard: foldsLefish1: calls 265----- FLOP ----- [6s 5d Th]----- TURN ----- [6s 5d Th][5s]----- RIVER ----- [6s 5d Th 5s][4h]----- SHOW DOWN -----_dean_: shows [8d 7d] (A Straight, Eight high)Lefish1: shows [Kd Kh] (Two Pairs, Kings and Fives, Ten high)_dean_ collected 1930 from Main potNow that is ridiculous !Should I have raised more or what?

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 03:48 PM

what were the blinds

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 03:54 PM

150/300

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 04:11 PM

TruePoker said:

150/300
I can kinda understand the play, I think the minimum raise would sound off alarms herehis hand wasnt a bad hand to move with considering he only had a little less than 3xBB, i woulda folded here because that small raises worries me that I might not have live cardsI can understand it though, if both cards are live hes only a 3/2 dog against most hands, like AK, AQnothing you could really do though

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 01:38 AM

Thanks helpful Eddie, what are the chances of two undercards beating a high pair if suited / not suited? Just out of curiosity.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 02:32 AM

TruePoker said:

Thanks helpful Eddie, what are the chances of two undercards beating a high pair if suited / not suited? Just out of curiosity.
and in the also likely event what are the chances 78s beats AK/AQanswer: good enough to go allin with a short stack

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 02:34 AM

Yeh I just read the quiz question 7 by Daniel himself. He said he folded but should have played it as the odds of even against AA was a 1 in 4 chance of winning.Anyways cheers for the help.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 02:37 AM

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Yeh I just read the quiz question 7 by Daniel himself. He said he folded but should have played it as the odds of even against AA was a 1 in 4 chance of winning.Anyways cheers for the help.
.....please dont tell me you need to look up what the odds are of a pair v. two undersa smartass like yourself should of known is roughly 4-1.....wait a minute, 3:30, eh?shouldnt you be in bed, you have school tomorrow

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 03:07 AM

Exact percent, I would have guessed it was 80% vs 20% but then I thought it would be a bit lower than 80% because its around that for a overpair vs an underpair.Eddie I believe you to be the most arrogant person I have ever met and I can't believe that this forum has not moderated you out of here yet especially with all of your snide comments. I have just found my love for poker and thought that I could increase my enjoyment factor by coming to this forum. I did not however expect to come up with people like you on a site run by the most respected poker player of all time, at least in my view. This has ruined my day, Eddie you are very rude.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:26 AM

[8d 7d] vs [Kd Kh]21.5% vs 78.5%Personally, I don't think an over pair losing to two under cards is a "bad beat". I think it's called "poker" and it happens....more than 1/5 of the time in this situation.IMO, the odds have to be worse than this to be a true "bad beat".

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 07:45 AM

TruePoker said:

Thanks helpful Eddie, what are the chances of two undercards beating a high pair if suited / not suited? Just out of curiosity.
Decent online poker calculator:http://www.twodimes.net/poker/In your example (where the undercards are suited connectors) it's 78.3% for the pair and 21.3% for the undercards, with the remainder being a tie. Unsuited goes to 80.96% for the pair and 18.79% for the connectors. Random unconnected junk like 82o gives 86.94% for the pair, 12.69% for the undercards.




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