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[RDog]

About 130 people left, 90 pay, first place 50k. No reads on either oppenent as neither has been at the table long. Honestly, I'm not even sure about the preflop play here as I hate playing JJ OOP. All in all, this one had me confused.

PokerStars Game #7234127404: Tournament #36312335, $300+$20 Hold'em No
Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2006/11/30 - 00:07:13 (ET)
Table '36312335 85' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Dr Homer (17380 in chips)
Seat 2: rdog7811 (10405 in chips)
Seat 3: BadcardsAA (21715 in chips)
Seat 4: Yo brains (29371 in chips)
Seat 5: GSpin (9470 in chips)
Seat 6: yuan (15460 in chips)
Seat 7: NOQUARTR86 (21654 in chips)
Seat 8: NoPotForYou! (7220 in chips)
Seat 9: MattZman69 (33964 in chips)
Dr Homer: posts the ante 20
rdog7811: posts the ante 20
BadcardsAA: posts the ante 20
Yo brains: posts the ante 20
GSpin: posts the ante 20
yuan: posts the ante 20
NOQUARTR86: posts the ante 20
NoPotForYou!: posts the ante 20
MattZman69: posts the ante 20
rdog7811: posts small blind 200
BadcardsAA: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rdog7811 [Jc Jd]
Yo brains: folds
GSpin: raises 800 to 1200
yuan: folds
NOQUARTR86: folds
NoPotForYou!: folds
MattZman69: folds
Dr Homer: folds
rdog7811: calls 1000
BadcardsAA: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [4h 6h 8d]
rdog7811: checks
BadcardsAA: bets 2400
GSpin: raises 5850 to 8250 and is all-in
rdog7811: ???????

[msals11]

yeah man that's a sick spot for sure... in this particular instance i think i muck being that you had no read on the opponent, and everything about the way he played this hand screams monster... while i think he has QQ-AA, it could be AKhh, in which your still an underdog if u call in this spot... in addition, you have to think about the small blind, because while it's likely that he probably has a straight or flush draw in this spot and is just trying to take it down, it is a draw heavy board and could have a set in this spot very easily, and just been protecting his hand

[gobears]

Preflop: I'd have to call there too being in the SB. Too much of a stack to jam and a raise to 3K just put 30% of my stack into an EP raiser.

Postflop: Your best hope is that one of them is on the flush draw and the other guy has a mid-PP (9's or 10's). Worst case would be a set from the BB and an overpair from the EP guy.

I think that I have to fold here. If you're ahead, you probably have to dodge overcards and flush cards. If you're behind, you have two outs. You have enough chips to fold and be competitive.

[copernicus]

Id fold pretty easily. Preflop I flat call also.

[tskillz187]

*have not read responses*

This one is fun, you can either call or reraise this hand PF. Folding is way too weak IMO. If I reraise I'm going to go ahead and shove it in. There is nearly 2k in the pot so you can increase your stack by 20% by just taking it down now.

If you call for a safe flop like you did, I would lead out with an open push. I want to give as little information as possible, I think you can get called by 99 and 1010 enough to warrant this and if he checks behind with AK you have really messed up by checking.

Edit: Sorry didn't realize you were asking about the play after the action, I agree with everyone else that I would fold without thinking too much about it.

[iggymcfly]

Yeah, this is a tough one. Preflop, this is such a close decision between pushing and calling that I couldn't really fault you for going either way. I think you made the right decision though if your plan was to C/R push any non-ace, non KQ flop. JJ plays well seeing a flop, and you don't really know where you are yet.

The BB lead complicates things too, as it looks like you're up against a draw and some sort of pocket pair (be it higher, lower, or a set). Honestly, I think you're equally likely to be against any pair 77-AA here with AJ-AK of hearts being possible as well. This decision's even closer than the preflop one, but I'd push here. You probably only end up winning this pot about 25% of the time (assuming it's three ways), but the dead money in the pot, and all the free steals you'll get going into the bubble make it worthwhile.

I think just the fact that this is a MTT where a lot of people are likely to be playing over their heads and a little scared makes this a call, as having a big stack will be even more valuable than normal. Again though, this is very close, and even the slightest read from bet timing or a few previous hands could be enough to sway it.

[Ramram84]

I think you played it just fine. Not much you can do without any reads.

[mk]

I would push pre. Calling prices BB in to play with any two, and JJ is definitely a favorite against shorty's range, which probably looks something like this:

Hand 1: 59.8597 % { JJ }
Hand 2: 40.1403 % { 77+, A9s+, KQs, A9o+, KQo }

He also has room to fold, so add in maybe 10% FE. As you said, JJ is tough to play oop. I'd rather take it down now. But you know, grain of salt, I bubble a lot.

As played, looks like the flop is a fold, although I'd probably have led and called a shove since this is what we look like against MP's and BB's ranges with that flop:

Hand 1: 49.8670 % { JJ }
Hand 2: 27.0323 % { 77+, A9s+, KQs, A9o+, KQo }
Hand 3: 23.1007 % { random}

[Fade2241]

I like the way the hand was played preflop. I think you collected a lot of information playing it the way you did.

As played I fold the flop. With two opponents betting, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that one of them has you beat. Note: The highest I typically play is $50 MTT's though so the play might differ some. Is A8 a possible range?!? I wouldn't think so.

[msals11]

I would push pre. Calling prices BB in to play with any two, and JJ is definitely a favorite against shorty's range, which probably looks something like this:

Hand 1: 59.8597 % { JJ }
Hand 2: 40.1403 % { 77+, A9s+, KQs, A9o+, KQo }

He also has room to fold, so add in maybe 10% FE. As you said, JJ is tough to play oop. I'd rather take it down now. But you know, grain of salt, I bubble a lot.

As played, looks like the flop is a fold, although I'd probably have led and called a shove since this is what we look like against MP's and BB's ranges with that flop:

Hand 1: 49.8670 % { JJ }
Hand 2: 27.0323 % { 77+, A9s+, KQs, A9o+, KQo }
Hand 3: 23.1007 % { random}

while the call preflop may "price him in"... it certaintly does not price him in to call with ANY 2 as it is getting deep in the tournament and people aren't calling off 1200 chips with J9off just because they are getting the right pirce... calling preflop here is fine especially with no reads and him raising from utg+1

[mk]

while the call preflop may "price him in"... it certaintly does not price him in to call with ANY 2 as it is getting deep in the tournament and people aren't calling off 1200 chips with J9off just because they are getting the right pirce... calling preflop here is fine especially with no reads and him raising from utg+1

i agree that BB definitely wants better than any 2 to call at this stage of the tourney, maybe a top 35% hand. i still don't know if flat calling is the best play. what's your flop line if BB folds and

1) the flop contains no overs?
2) the flop contains one over?
3) the flop contains two overs?

are you calling pre for set value only? that seems silly.

[HoosierAlum]

What was your plan if bb checked and UTG+1 made a standard cont bet?

Noone has mentioned this but I dont think leading the flop is a bad idea.

[gobears]

What was your plan if bb checked and UTG+1 made a standard cont bet?

Noone has mentioned this but I dont think leading the flop is a bad idea.

If we lead 2,400 BB folds and EP jams, we're getting 2.1-1 on the call. Assuming EP has a range of 88+, 66, 44, AhJh, AhQh, AhKh, then we're 34% to win and it'd be a call since that range is extremely tight.

If we lead 2,400 and both BB/EP go all-in and assuming they're both on that range, we're only 14% to win and it's a fold.

[tskillz187]

What was your plan if bb checked and UTG+1 made a standard cont bet?

Noone has mentioned this but I dont think leading the flop is a bad idea.

I said to open shove the flop. I still think its the right play.

[AcesUp46]

Why not jam pf? When action got to him, already 2K in the pot and his stack is 10K. Worthwhile to take a risk to increase your stack 20% with a quality hand right?

[mk]

What was your plan if bb checked and UTG+1 made a standard cont bet?

Noone has mentioned this but I dont think leading the flop is a bad idea.

As played, looks like the flop is a fold, although I'd probably have led and called a shove...

[Mercury69]

What I would be thinking, after the fact, is: I wish I had folded those frigging hooks. That guys min raise and push on the flop is pretty popular these days. Is that a Stop and Go?